re: "Fruit of Islam" coming to Troy rally against police brutality tomorrow (P 25)

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The thing I learned though, is if I treat them with respect and not be confrontational, the opposite of "we don't know what he did, but I'm sure he did something" occurs. If you don't act like a criminal, more often than not, you won't be treated like one.

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What level of rudeness should require a beating? How does one "act" like a criminal? To what level of acting should one be allowed before a beating is warranted? How should criminals be treated?

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Why did he run?

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He was just trying to get to school on time.

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And how do they know I'm telling the truth?

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IDs have addresses on them correct?

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Enjoy living in your police state

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We should just get rid of the police all together right?
Until we can and people are still robbing, stealing, murdering, and destroying property, I expect police to do their jobs to find out if that is about to happen or not.

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but since I complied and even let my vehicle get searched "without probable cause" and the fact I didn't have any priors I was issued a warning.

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Holy smokes

Thanks for shoring up the police state. That is what makes them feel like they have the right to do what they did to the suspect in the OP.

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I am pretty sure this kid got tackled and his face hit the pavement hard,unless there are other injuries besides the one in the photo.

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Troy police say “reasonable and necessary force” was used in an incident that sent a 17-year-old male to a Birmingham hospital on Sunday.

“Officers were able to apprehend the suspect on Madison Street, but he resisted arrest and refused to comply with commands from the officers to place his hands behind his back,”

“The subject continued to struggle with officers and kept reaching toward his waistband as if he was attempting to access a weapon, all while repeatedly ignoring officers’ commands to stop resisting and give them his hands.”

It was then that Barr says officers resorted to physical force, which he called “reasonable and necessary.”

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Back to my original point

The suspect should then be tased and handcuffed. The problem is that we've told cops that it's okay to beat people when they "resist." It's one thing to use force to detain someone who is also using force, until that force is no longer necessary. It's another thing to beat the shite out of someone who is covering their head while being beaten and told to stop resisting.

How many times do we have to see groups of 3, 4, 5+ cops beating someone on the ground while shouting, "stop resisting," before we realize there is a problem with the protocol?

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This is one case where we don’t need to let the facts come out. In this day and age there is no excuse to beat an AA kid like that unless you harbor some serious racism and sadistic tendencies.

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Making a serious run for worst poster of the year with only a couple of weeks of posts.

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The thing I learned though, is if I treat them with respect and not be confrontational, the opposite of "we don't know what he did, but I'm sure he did something" occurs. If you don't act like a criminal, more often than not, you won't be treated like one.

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Being confrontational = acting like a criminal? Could you explain how Justine Damond could have avoided being treated like a criminal?

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I'm assuming he suffered a beating based on the photos. It's more likely that he was beaten than that he fell down and bumped his head. If you choose to believe otherwise then that's fine.

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Like I said, I just saw a photo of a friend of mine who tripped over a child gate in his house and hit his head on the hardwood floor. So it's not unreasonable for me to think that could have actually happened.

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Are you okay with stating that a person should be beaten if 1) the person "acts" like a criminal or 2) the person is breaking the law?

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More information is needed for me to make that determination. If a person is resisting, I am okay with whatever means it is to gain control of the person.

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My problem with how this usually plays out is that we are no longer asking if the cops acted professionally or justly, we are claiming that a beating was probably warranted simply because the person acted guilty.

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So why not wait until you actually know if it was a beating and which parties were actually at fault?

Answer me this, if the police had rolled up on this kid and he had a lighter in one hand and a can of gasoline in the other, would the police have cause to stop him or would they need to try and catch up with him after the building was on fire?

What if the same scenario occurs with them rolling up on him and he flees and they just decide not to pursue, and upon investigating the scene he fled from, there was a homicide committed. Kid is in the wind and the police are standing at your door trying to explain how they will find your son or daughters killer.

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The problem is,we have people in this country,that think there should be no consequences from their bad decisions and bad behavior.
It's never been that way,in the history of the fricking world.Anyone that expects this, is a pure dumb arse,and in another country,would likely be taken out of the gene pool pretty fast.

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Right. Those people are the heads of police unions.

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Being confrontational = acting like a criminal?

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I have friend of mine who is a Constitutionalist and he gets a ticket every time he gets pulled over for the very reason of being confrontational. And his father and mother were police officers for 30-40 years.

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Could you explain how Justine Damond could have avoided being treated like a criminal?

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I agree that she couldn't have done anything different and this guy was looking for someone to shoot. I am not advocating that all law enforcement officers are pristine but I also know quite a few of them and they aren't the blood thirsty power hungry people portrayed by many on here. But I think we need to look at from the view of an officer maybe approaching a vehicle and not knowing when he gets to the window there isn't a gun pointed toward him. Or a reach for a waistband could be the last time they get to see their son or daughter.