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Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:26 pm to Pecker
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Police Beating Caught on Tape in San Francisco LA Times:Deputies charged in San Francisco beating caught on video
That was particularly brutal. And just think how much that happens that we don’t hear about because it was never caught on film.
Looks like the police department paid 5.5 million to settle this case. The officers were were fired. Not surprisingly it looks like the cases against the officers have not been tried in court yet.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:30 pm to Pecker
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Raised wages or not, we should still hold the police to a higher standard than we have been. Bare minimum, we should demand that they follow the laws they are tasked with enforcing. They aren't allowed to act with impunity because we've arbitrarily determined that their wages aren't high enough.
You are making some good points Pecker. My biggest question is where is the line.
We can agree there are legitimate moments where cops fear for their life or are in danger and excessive force may be needed
We can also agree that their are cops that will use excessive force because suspect had the audacity not to comply with every order and they feel disrespected.
The problem is we have chosen to err on the side of caution with the first one based on the fact no one else wants to put their arse on the line in those dangerous situations for a shite salary.
So I agree there needs to be change, but I don't want a situation where more cops get killed based on new softer regulatory standards.
There are solutions like higher pay and more training but no one wants to pay for it.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:39 pm to roadGator
No, because it’s speculation on my part.
But after actually running into cases where evidence was planted, I’m not putting it past them.
See that’s the problem. When police do that, it casts doubt on all questionable police actions. When public trust is broken it’s hard to repair it.
But after actually running into cases where evidence was planted, I’m not putting it past them.
See that’s the problem. When police do that, it casts doubt on all questionable police actions. When public trust is broken it’s hard to repair it.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:43 pm to Volatile
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But after actually running into cases where evidence was planted, I’m not putting it past them.
How many LE officers have been prosecuted for planting guns on perps? Just wondering.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:46 pm to Volatile
You should probably indicate that you are voicing your opinion and let everyone take that into account in addition to your bias.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:49 pm to Paradiddler
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Looks very F'd up, but if they did indeed find a gun that can be linked to him, then he was up to something and F him.
With no crime committed The NRA says frick you, a-hole
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:52 pm to JuiceTerry
Private property bra
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:53 pm to mindbreaker
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So I agree there needs to be change, but I don't want a situation where more cops get killed based on new softer regulatory standards.
How many children's lives are worth the life of a single police officer?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:54 pm to JuiceTerry
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With no crime committed
Is it legal in Alabama for a 17 year old to possess a firearm, carry a firearm in public or purchase a firearm?
I'm not up on their laws but I doubt it.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:54 pm to Lg
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How many LE officers have been prosecuted for planting guns on perps? Just wondering.
Zero. That means it either never happens.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:55 pm to Papplesbeast
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Zero
Why do you continue with this lie?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:09 pm to mindbreaker
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You are making some good points Pecker. My biggest question is where is the line.
We can agree there are legitimate moments where cops fear for their life or are in danger and excessive force may be needed
We can also agree that their are cops that will use excessive force because suspect had the audacity not to comply with every order and they feel disrespected.
The problem is we have chosen to err on the side of caution with the first one based on the fact no one else wants to put their arse on the line in those dangerous situations for a shite salary.
So I agree there needs to be change, but I don't want a situation where more cops get killed based on new softer regulatory standards.
There are solutions like higher pay and more training but no one wants to pay for it.
Excessive force is never needed. Excessive force by definition is excessive, going beyond what is necessary.
I respect the job that law enforcement officers do because I know it can be difficult. There are many good cops out there. There are also many terrible ones. I think just admitting that is a good start.
I think the population at large need to adjust their mindset as to what good policing is. There's something inherently wrong, and at odds with our notion of liberty, when we have people saying things like "you resist police by running then yes, you deserve an arse kicking at the very least." Which is a sentiment that's been echoed through this entire thread.
We don't need new regulations for police officers. How about just follow the ones that are on the books.
We have many here ignoring basic problems with the report from police. Why? Because "acting like a criminal" is grounds for a beating.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:23 pm to roadGator
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Why do you continue with this lie?
It's not a lie. Police are not held accountable for their actions in 2017. Everything they do is either ruled justified or swept under the rug.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:25 pm to Papplesbeast
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And we all know that anyone who breaks even the most minor law deserves whatever happens to them.
Sure. Normally a ticket.
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police officer ends up killing you, even if the shooting was not justified, the person really at fault is you for having an expired tag. Case closed.
You're an idiot.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:27 pm to Papplesbeast
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How many children's lives are worth the life of a single police officer?
Sorry not going to play the whose life is worth more game. I don't even believe in the death penalty so you are barking up the wrong tree there.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:29 pm to Papplesbeast
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It's not a lie
It actually is a lie or it's wishful ignorance. Either way. It's not true.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:30 pm to Pecker
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Excessive force is never needed
Nah I disagree here. If someone is fighting for their life against someone trying to kill them then yes it can be needed
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:35 pm to JuiceTerry
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With no crime committed
Failure to obey a police officer?
I'm sure they shouted WAIT , or STOP
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:38 pm to Papplesbeast
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Everything they do is either ruled justified or swept under the rug.
Seems like a certain officer in South Carolina had a trial before his peers for killing an unarmed assailant. So, was the mistrial the fault of the jury or some other sinister plot by the police? Can't say it was swept under the rug.
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