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French Classified Docs Leaked to Marianne Magazine - Ukraine War Has Turned Very Badly

Posted on 3/13/24 at 6:15 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 3/13/24 at 6:15 am
Two weeks ago Emmanuel Macron publically pronounced he was considering sending French troops to Ukraine. That did not sit well in many French circles. Apparently in response, someone in the French military leaked a group of classified Ukraine War assessments to a French Political Magazine, Marianne. They paint a grim picture of both the war, Ukraine's status, and of western capacity to support it.

Macron ‘panicked’ over leaked Ukraine reports – Marianne

Here are excerpted quotes from the documents leaked this week, and from French military about them:
quote:

“We must make no mistake, facing the Russians, we are an army of cheerleaders!," mocks a senior officer, convinced that “sending French troops” to the Ukrainian front would simply be “not reasonable”.
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European chancelleries wanted to believe that Kiev's counter-offensive in spring 2023 , supported by Western equipment, would send the Russian army back to Moscow. Written this fall, the “retex” (feedback) from the operation is overwhelming. “It gradually got bogged down in mud and blood and resulted in no strategic gain,” writes a confidential defense report on “the failure of the Ukrainian offensive” to which Marianne had access.

... “The planners believed that as soon as the first Russian lines of defense were crossed, the entire front would collapse […] These fundamental preliminary phases were carried out without taking into account the moral strength of the enemy on the defensive: it is "that is to say the desire of the Russian soldier to hold on to the ground", notes this report evoking "the failure of planning"of the Western camp. ... Ukrainian “Year II soldiers” were launched to attack “a Russian fortification line which proved to be impregnable”. Without any air support, with Western equipment that is disparate and less efficient than the old Soviet equipment ... the Ukrainian troops had no hope of breaking through. Let us add “Russian arch-domination in the field of electronic jamming penalizing, on the Ukrainian side, the use of drones and command systems”. “The Russian army is today the “tactical and technical” reference for thinking about and implementing the defensive mode,” writes the report. Not only does Moscow have heavy engineering equipment that has enabled it to build defensive structures ( “almost total absence of this material on the Ukrainian side, and the impossibility of Westerners providing it quickly”) but the 1,200 km of front were mined to enormous extents.

... Moscow reinforces its units before they are completely exhausted, mixes recruits with seasoned troops, provides regular rest periods at the rear... and "has always had a coherent reservoir of force to manage unforeseen events" ... far from the idea, widespread in the West, of a Russian army sending its troops to the butchery without counting...

A French officer summarizes: “It is clear, given the forces present, that Ukraine cannot win this war militarily.

... the failed 2023 offensive “tactically destroyed” half of Kiev’s 12 combat brigades.

On February 17, Kyiv had to abandon the town of Avdiïvka, in the northern suburbs of Donetsk, which until then had acted as a fortified bastion. “It was both the heart and the symbol of Ukrainian resistance in the Russian-speaking Donbass,” underlines a report on the “battle of Avdiïvka”, drawing a series of damning lessons. ... “The decision to withdraw by the Ukrainian armed forces was a surprise,” notes this latest report, emphasizing “its suddenness and unpreparedness,” raising fears that this choice was “more suffered than decided by the Ukrainian command,” evoking a possible beginning of “disbandment”.

Is it this new strategic situation, where the Russian army seems in a position of force in the face of a Ukrainian army at the end of its tether, which led Emmanuel Macron, “dynamically”, as he put it, to consider troop reinforcements?

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Posted by DaBike
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/13/24 at 6:17 am to
These docs were found in Bidens garage
Posted by Gifman
Clearwater Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 3/13/24 at 6:18 am to
Maybe the O-T bad asses can go over there and help?
Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
40222 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 6:18 am to
quote:

French Classified Docs Leaked to Marianne Magazine - Ukraine War Has Turned Very Badly


But Joe said we aren't backing down. And Joe isn't backing down.

That's what he read off the teleprompter at the SOTU address last Thursday.
Posted by skidry
Member since Jul 2009
3579 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 6:28 am to
This reads like a research paper in college that I waited too late to start.

The reference document is cut up so badly you have no idea what its core ideas are and what is the writer’s desperate attempt to support their own ideas.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/13/24 at 6:30 am to
quote:

This reads like a research paper in college that I waited too late to start.
Probably translational, because it was written in French.
Posted by skidry
Member since Jul 2009
3579 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 6:31 am to
Good point.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 6:34 am to
quote:

what its core ideas are


Ukraine is fricked... has been for a long time and no amount of military support from the west is going to change that...

Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104064 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 6:50 am to
quote:

“The planners believed that as soon as the first Russian lines of defense were crossed, the entire front would collapse


Wish casting a fricking military offensive…
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
22760 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 6:55 am to
quote:

A French officer summarizes: “It is clear, given the forces present, that Ukraine cannot win this war militarily.
never could
Posted by Feelthebarn
Lower Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
3747 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 6:55 am to
This is what everyone has known the whole time
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98113 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:00 am to
Obviously the french military is a bunch of putin lovers and pushing his propaganda
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:01 am to
Imagine what US documents say and what mental gymnastics are being used to ignore them.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15712 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:02 am to
quote:

European chancelleries wanted to believe that Kiev's counter-offensive in spring 2023 , supported by Western equipment, would send the Russian army back to Moscow


Sounds just like the OT Meal Team 6 crowd
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35943 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:14 am to
Before I can form an opinion on this I need to understand the OT War College's analysis.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15712 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:21 am to
quote:

Before I can form an opinion on this I need to understand the OT War College's analysis.


“This means Ukraine will win if we just send them another $100 billion” ~ OT Chickenhawks
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68405 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:23 am to
That's why they went crazy with that guy who leaked on videogame channels or whatever. The regime can't have the truth out there.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138943 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:26 am to
quote:

Sounds just like the OT Meal Team 6 crowd
Because European chancellery (and US) sycophant propaganda is precisely where the OT is getting its "news" ...

i.e. this morning,
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 13 March 2024

Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98113 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:27 am to
Cypher has been posting that same UK intelligence propaganda for alnost 3yrs now

They all love it over there
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:30 am to
quote:


“We must make no mistake, facing the Russians, we are an army of cheerleaders!,"


I've been telling the OT baws this for a long time.

They want to play in the marching band then take credit for beating their rival on the field.

Maybe there is something to this thing about men being really born women.
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