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re: France, Germany, UK, & Ukraine are working on a counter 28 point peace proposal to Trump’s
Posted on 11/21/25 at 3:39 pm to michael corleone
Posted on 11/21/25 at 3:39 pm to michael corleone
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Then let them fund the “war” if their proposal is rejected
They are - that’s what the hundreds of billions of frozen Russian assets are for.
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 3:44 pm to tide06
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March 18, 2025 - Agreement with Putin for an immediate ceasefire on energy infrastructure.
AP - Trump/Putin Ceasefire Framework
And the same article says just moments after the call air raid alarms started sounding as Russian bombs rained down again on Kiev. Your hated Europeans had nothing to do with fhis.
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May 19, 2025 - Announcement of immediate ceasefire negotiations after calls with both leaders.
AP - Trump Peace Deal to Trigger Cease Fire
Again, from the same article you just linked it says "The conversations did not yield a breakthrough". So they talked, nothing much happened except saying talks should continue...but you blame the folks in Brussels, Crazy.
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August 15, 2025 - In-person summit with Putin in Anchorage, Alaska.
CNN - Trump / Russia Summit for Peace
The Europeans had nothing to do with this and Trump himself was pissed that "Putin is playing us".
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August 18, 2025 - White House meeting with Zelenskyy and European leaders to arrange trilateral summit.
Guardian - Trump hosts EU/Ukraine Summit for Peace
Probably the most productive meeting of substance was this one WITH the Europeans, maybe that is why Putin turned it all down right away.
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October 17, 2025 - Heated White House meeting with Zelenskyy amid plans for Putin summit. WaPo - Trump Russia - Ukraine Summit
I didn't see anything where the word "heated appeared", but this was in your link.
Putin has offered little in return so far, sticking to his maximalist demands that Ukraine must be demilitarized and neutral, as he fights on to force Kyiv back into Moscow’s sphere of political influence.
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Each of those meetings (documented here by MSM sources to avoid confusion on your part) represented specific and actionable peace plans agreed to by Trump and Russia, each of which were later killed by Zelensky after meeting with various EU stakeholders.
Ridiculous. One agreement was broken almost as soon as the phones were hung up. Another had the Eurpoeans present and Trump right there as well so you can't talk about anything ex-post-facto and a third had Putin blowing it all up. This is all your nonsense.
This post was edited on 11/21/25 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 11/21/25 at 4:00 pm to hawgfaninc
When is it ok for the United States to say……..”well, ok then……..you guys figure it out and let me know”? Meanwhile no more money.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 4:01 pm to Eurocat
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So we want Europe to "take a more active role" in these things
After the fact…GFY.
They are ONLY doing so to shite on Trump.
I would imagine that the words “financial audit” won’t appear in their version.
The Eurotrash was probably stealing US taxpayer dollars as well.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 4:07 pm to jimmy the leg
Now you are just sounding like some dude venting at some bar. I always thought more highly of you than all this nonsense about how "doing it to eff Trump" stuff.
They are doing it because Trump is acceeding to almost everything Putin wants in this 28 point plant.
Why didn't he do the opposite, have his highest level negotiator go to Ukraine and then present Putin with a plan? Not the other way around?
He is not being a fair middleman.
They are doing it because Trump is acceeding to almost everything Putin wants in this 28 point plant.
Why didn't he do the opposite, have his highest level negotiator go to Ukraine and then present Putin with a plan? Not the other way around?
He is not being a fair middleman.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:02 pm to Eurocat
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He is not being a fair middleman.
War is fair? Who knew?
As far as being a middle man, only one side has their hand out.
Trump has to negotiate with the side that has the upper hand in this conflict. It isn’t an enviable position to be in.
Nonetheless, peace seemingly can be achieved, if Europe doesn’t stand in the way of it.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:05 pm to Eurocat
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Why didn't he do the opposite, have his highest level negotiator go to Ukraine and then present Putin with a plan? Not the other way around?
Are you serious?!
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:07 pm to hawgfaninc
How is it globalist if it’s literally in their backyards?
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:44 pm to Eurocat
Just the opposite eurocat, it would show we are no longer the patsy that spends our blood and treasure defending europe.
Their big commitment is to steal Russian money and spend it on inferior European weapons that will never be delivered in the numbers promised. Just like their shat commitments to NATO for 60 years, and their bullshite commitments to global warming fund at the UN.
Pull our targeting intel and our money, see where this ends up in quick fashion.
Their big commitment is to steal Russian money and spend it on inferior European weapons that will never be delivered in the numbers promised. Just like their shat commitments to NATO for 60 years, and their bullshite commitments to global warming fund at the UN.
Pull our targeting intel and our money, see where this ends up in quick fashion.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:51 pm to Eurocat
Because eurocat, Russia ALREADY has most of what is in the 28 point plan.
Let it bake a few more months and they will have more than the total Donbas.
ukraine is fcked and they pretend they are the US, demanding all sorts of nonsense that will never happen. You dont negotiate to get back what you already lost.
Let it bake a few more months and they will have more than the total Donbas.
ukraine is fcked and they pretend they are the US, demanding all sorts of nonsense that will never happen. You dont negotiate to get back what you already lost.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:54 pm to hawgfaninc
Probably something unrealistic like this.
1. Russia gives back all territory they conquered.
2. Russia government disbands.
3. Putin arrested and put on trial by the people of the world.
4. Russia pays Ukraine trillions of dollars in reparations.
Imo, everything will be designed to ensure the war becomes a forever war.. and zelensky remains a dictator for the rest of his life.
1. Russia gives back all territory they conquered.
2. Russia government disbands.
3. Putin arrested and put on trial by the people of the world.
4. Russia pays Ukraine trillions of dollars in reparations.
Imo, everything will be designed to ensure the war becomes a forever war.. and zelensky remains a dictator for the rest of his life.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:55 pm to trinidadtiger
Brought to you by the same minds who thought Russia would steamroll Ukraine in less than 10 days.
Trump “it was such a genius move” as he puckers Putin’s patooty
Trump “it was such a genius move” as he puckers Putin’s patooty
Posted on 11/21/25 at 6:09 pm to WheyCheddar
Posted on 11/21/25 at 6:24 pm to Eurocat
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Putin and oligarchs all said "Sh*t we can't have that, then our doctors will also want better wages, our citizens will also expect a decent pension! Ukraine must be taught a lesson!".
Muh oligarchy!
Posted on 11/21/25 at 6:39 pm to hawgfaninc
Let's hope they figure out a plan that leaves our money out of it.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 6:46 pm to Eurocat
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We should be praising and supporting this and find some sort of compromise between these various plans.
Those assclown leaders in Western Europe are watching their own countries fall into a deep decline...you really think they have the fortitude to stand up to little Zelenskyy? Putin will insist on 2 things: no NATO membership and Ukraine must be willing to succeeding territory or no deal! Putin will continue to fight, has no timetable to stop the aggression.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 6:51 pm to hawgfaninc
There maybe others but Russia dictating the size of Ukraines military is laughable.
I don’t see either side negotiating shite.
I don’t see either side negotiating shite.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 7:45 pm to Eurocat
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accepting the US "peace plan" would amount to Ukraine losing its dignity.
I guess Z man feels that is worse than dead Ukrainian soldiers.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:19 pm to hawgfaninc
They do understand they have literally zero say so in this matter right?
Like none. The US and Russia don’t care what any of these nations think and quite frankly don’t even repent them currently.
Like none. The US and Russia don’t care what any of these nations think and quite frankly don’t even repent them currently.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 9:11 pm to Eurocat
fricking EU leeches. Stop all funding for NATO and pull out money from their bases.
Let them foot the cost of US bases or shut them down and bring our kit and people home.
Let them foot the cost of US bases or shut them down and bring our kit and people home.
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