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re: For Those Blaming Lack of FEMA Funds on Ukraine, A Reminder of How U.S. Fiscal Law Works

Posted on 10/3/24 at 9:38 pm to
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46042 posts
Posted on 10/3/24 at 9:38 pm to
Get the frick out of here with this garbage. If he wanted to fund Helene victims he 100% could.

Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
4602 posts
Posted on 10/3/24 at 9:40 pm to
Or a Democratic plant.
Posted by BHTiger
Charleston
Member since Dec 2017
8397 posts
Posted on 10/3/24 at 9:43 pm to
quote:

We cannot let short-term distractions make us forger that American leadership on the global stage is important and is one of our best long-term security strategies


What a crock of shite. We aren't leading anything but little Zman. The rest of the world is on fire because we have no leadership.


Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6584 posts
Posted on 10/3/24 at 9:45 pm to
Dumbest pile of shite post ever. A trillion down votes for this turd.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38409 posts
Posted on 10/3/24 at 9:49 pm to
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This has nothing to do with supporting Ukraine.


Most politicians will tell you otherwise and that spending on Ukraine is for the global good... and helping NC is not.

Oh wait you did say that.

quote:

Besides, even if you could easily transfer money from one appropriation to another, I can think of several that should come before Ukraine (immigration support, general welfare, certain non-essential public services; these can all be replenished fairly easily in the next budget).


When have the rules stopped the government from funding one thing over another.

Wasn't a good chunk of Ukraine funding in bills that have nothing to do with Ukraine and global politics? Much like the rightly rejected border bill....
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
11141 posts
Posted on 10/3/24 at 9:52 pm to
FEMA gave 675 million to illegal immigrants coming across to by things to be able to stay in the US permanently while giving the middle finger to the tax paying citizen that Congress appropriated to FEMA. The whole fricking corrupt system needs to be burned to the fricking ground and started over from scratch. Cut the fricking federal spending on shite that doesn’t help AMERICAN taxpayer and things will get right. Government accountability by Elon Musk is a start. You either American or you can go frick yourself until we are taken care of first. Any and all charity to other countries that need help comes after accordingly to the benefits of the American taxpayer.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125290 posts
Posted on 10/3/24 at 11:08 pm to
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Your first mistake was trying to explain how government works to this board.


We know how government works. That’s why we’re pissed.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 11:08 pm
Posted by Morgus
The Old City Icehouse
Member since May 2004
9777 posts
Posted on 10/3/24 at 11:21 pm to
The inability to shift one appropriation to another does not prevent us from criticizing the relative priorities of either indicated by the discrepancies in appropriation.

Your point is merely mechanical and rather obtuse.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 11:22 pm
Posted by Camijoe
Member since May 2024
450 posts
Posted on 10/3/24 at 11:29 pm to
Your wasting you time talking to these numb nutz.
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 11:31 pm to
Bait thread
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 11:34 pm to
We live in a world where facts don't matter.
Posted by Westbank111
Armpit of America
Member since Sep 2013
4460 posts
Posted on 10/3/24 at 11:43 pm to
your an a-hole & apparently never lived in a major catastrophe area!

GFY and GTFOH
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19087 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:00 am to
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For Those Blaming Lack of FEMA Funds on Ukraine, A Reminder of How U.S. Fiscal Law Works
You are forgetting one thing...

FEMA's SSP (Shelter & Services Program). You would think by the name it is for shelters and services and being FEMA for victims of natural disasters.

You would be wrong. It is intentionally deceptively named. It is for shelter & services SPECIFCALY for noncitizens via non-federal entities.

So let's break this down a little bit and parse their words with them:
- Noncitizens can be anybody except US citizens.
- Ukranians are noncitizens aren't they
- non-federal COULD mean NGO's (in addition to city/state/local).

So far in 2024, it isn't over, $640 mmUSD has been spent out of FEMA's allocated budget on illegals. A large portion to those NGOs laundering the cartel's money and providing the protection money to politicians with DHS officials doing the collections on these illegal's transports.

Ah, but here's where it gets good....
There's NGOs in Ukraine too right (I mean, how else could Routh operate there)? And Ukrainians are non-citizens too right? There you go. A portion of SSP money went to NGOs operating in Ukraine, Turkey, and E European countries.

In all fairness, most of the $640 million in 2024 has only been spent on illegal aliens inside the US (that's ok right??). But, oh boy, there was $380 million in 2023- and a good chunk of that went to Ukraine.

So by parsing words like "non-federal" and "non-citizens", instead of 'state/local governments' and 'undocumented migrants' they managed to take this lie of using FEMA funds for illegal aliens, expand the lie, and use it to funnel non-military aid to Ukraine.

ETA: blood, not ink. They're not coming to help you, they're just coming for you.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 1:03 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62538 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:06 am to
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You can't just "move it over to Ukraine" like your personal bank account. In other words, whether we are funding Ukraine or not, the problem is Congress didn't appropriate enough to FEMA in the last budget.
We should have never been sending Ukraine money to begin with. Oh, and your attempt at a 'gotcha' completely leave out any attempt at arguing spengin money in Ukraine has a higher priority than domestinc spending for FEMA. Did SFP write that for you? He also failed miserably at this.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 1:07 am
Posted by AuburnTigers
9x National Champion
Member since Aug 2013
17432 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:19 am to
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We cannot let short-term distractions make us forger that American leadership on the global stage is important and is one of our best long-term security strategies.
word salad from a pot head
Posted by Westbank111
Armpit of America
Member since Sep 2013
4460 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:29 am to
and your a full blown idiot “RFK”

should be ashamed of yourself you uptown lawyer type “Tulane” uppity that has never faced adversity!

btw. my name is on the walls of the Glazee Club, been a Tulane fan since i was born, but never bought into the indoctrination of Uptown and the Elitist Group!

We have

1. American Veterans being kicked out of assisted living to house “criminals &. terrorist”.

2. we have on average 22 Military Vets committing suicide EVERY DAY!

3. We have every day USA tax paying citizens struggling to make ends meet!

4. We “HAD a PRESIDENT THAT WAS AT PEACE IN THE WORLD” and in the process of MAKING NATO countries pay their “Fair Share” until they release a Bio-Weapon on Society!

5. We now have a GLOBAL BAMKING REGIME pulling the strings of Congress & the White House to “WAR/WAR/WAR”

**** WHY DON’T YOU GO SACRIFICE YOUR LIFE & BRING THE LIBERAL RETARDS WITH YOU!!!!

6. We have an OPEN BORDER with known terrorist & Latin countries prisoners raping & pillaging our country!

7. WE HAVE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA PATRIOTS THAT LOST EVERYTHING THEY’VE EVER KNOWN & OWNED & they get $750 per family if they can prove they “need it”

SAME FOR MAUI VICTIMS!!!!

DO NOT LECTURE US ON “HOW IT WORKS”

GFY
GFY
or take it with your boyfriend like you like it!

these people are in need and dying every hour, and the FEDGOV is saying they are broke while giving Ukraine, Iran & Israel HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS&& but we are too broke to help our own people.

GFY “RFK”
Posted by Westbank111
Armpit of America
Member since Sep 2013
4460 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:33 am to
short term distractions “as-in a MAJOR PORTION OF THE Appalachian Mountains Regions ” was destroyed and Entire towns decimated &’people are still missing”

You are the worst of the worst kind of Idiot.
Maybe one day you’ll be in their situation & be humbled!!!’


meantime, stfu
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:58 am to
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Current Ukraine aid mostly comes from drawdown authority and legislation already programmed for Ukraine (through bi-partisan legislation, remember).

You can't just "move it over to Ukraine" like your personal bank account. In other words, whether we are funding Ukraine or not, the problem is Congress didn't appropriate enough to FEMA in the last budget.

This has nothing to do with supporting Ukraine. Besides, even if you could easily transfer money from one appropriation to another, I can think of several that should come before Ukraine (immigration support, general welfare, certain non-essential public services; these can all be replenished fairly easily in the next budget).

We cannot let short-term distractions make us forger that American leadership on the global stage is important and is one of our best long-term security strategies.


You are a moron. Reprogramming takes place all the time and there is great flexibility for doing so. Every spending bill has great latitude for this.
Let's see what a quick search turns up... pdf doc

The National Emergency Management Association (NEMA) and International Association of Emergency Managers
(IAEM) today released a joint statement on the reported reprogramming of $155 million in federal funds from the
Disaster Relief Fund (DRF) of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to Immigration and Customs
Enforcement (ICE) to establish temporary locations for court hearings for asylum-seekers along the southern
border of the United States:


This comes from the Trump admin. The difference is that Trump's admin said this reprogramming would not affect the ability of FEMA to respond to disasters while Mayorkas is saying that FEMA is out of money and won't be able to respond to disaster. Mayorkas could reprogram in reverse and send money to Americans and divert it from those that invaded our nation, but he won't do that.
Posted by Westbank111
Armpit of America
Member since Sep 2013
4460 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 3:00 am to
“Camjoe”
you can Gfy Too you fricking punk!

there are tax paying, patriot americans still
drowning to death &’you have the audacity to post this idiotic nonsense.

can’t wait until we can all square off in the streets, it’s coming & I don’t think y’all know
how your messing with. the American Patriots have had ENOUGH & we won’t back down you POS
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
7552 posts
Posted on 10/4/24 at 5:06 am to
quote:

We cannot let short-term distractions make us forger that American leadership on the global stage is important and is one of our best long-term security strategies.


Peace through strength. We can provide “American leadership” with the threat of turning our enemies to dust with a bomb we already paid for. Not sending checks to keep them quiet.
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