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re: For people who don't like the fact we nuked Japan
Posted on 12/2/21 at 2:40 pm to Notrub14
Posted on 12/2/21 at 2:40 pm to Notrub14
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The nuclear bombs, and other bombing of cities, also killed 5 year olds, 2 year olds and babies in the womb.
It's the exact opposite. The bombs saved 5 year olds, 2 year olds and babies in the womb. The proclamation in Japan was that everyone will die for the glory of the Emperor. They knew they would lose the invasion. They were ready to be exterminated.
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Posted on 12/2/21 at 2:48 pm to BuckyCheese
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So, explain why firebombing some more cities would have changed their mind.
Well. You only needed to change Hirohito’s mind, and even then, why was invasion the only option? Why was the binary choice invasion or nuke?
Posted on 12/2/21 at 2:55 pm to Notrub14
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The nuclear bombs, and other bombing of cities, also killed 5 year olds, 2 year olds and babies in the womb
The Pearl harbor attack killed over 2000 Americans. They brought the pain on themselves. It is shame we only had two to use. If people like you were in charge back then your kids today would be speaking German or Japanese. But your one the folks who hate this country but yet won't leave. You continue to piss and moan but yet won't do anything.
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 12/2/21 at 3:11 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Why was the binary choice invasion or nuke?
I don't think anyone in this thread has said there were only two choices. It's just that Fat Man and Little Boy was the best of the options.
We could have blockaded and let millions of Japanese starve to death.
We could have continued to bomb them into the stone ages, until only the military were left in the tunnels and then invaded, which still results in millions of dead Japanese.
We could have invaded, which would have resulted in millions of dead Japanese, plus tens of thousands of dead Americans.
We could have thrown up our hands and walked away, which would have resulted in the subjugation and torture of all the lands we had just liberated, plus put Hawaii in constant peril.
We could have surrendered to the Japanese, and let them have California, which would probably have improved the California of today immensely.
So dropping the bombs was easily the best choice, for both us, and the Japanese.
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 12/2/21 at 3:26 pm to troyt37
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I don't think anyone in this thread has said there were only two choices. It's just that Fat Man and Little Boy was the best of the options.
Meh. We could have let the Soviets invade which they gladly would have.
Now, you could make the argument that we needed to drop the bombs because we needed a quick solution to stop the Soviets. But the idea we HAD to invade is just silly.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 3:35 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Meh. We could have let the Soviets invade which they gladly would have.
I think it has been pretty well established here that the Soviets shot their wad in Germany. They were much more interested in what lands and influence they could gain to their west, than stepping into another meat-grinder that was the Japanese holdings in the Pacific. Once you wrap your head around that, ask yourself this: What would have happened to the Japanese people if the Soviets were gladly willing to invade? Any honest answer will include a tremendously higher death toll for Japan and the USSR.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 3:52 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Meh. We could have let the Soviets invade which they gladly would have.
Stalin had been urged to attack the Japanese in Korea, but he only moved in after Japan had surrendered. We are still paying for that today.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:49 pm to troyt37
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Any honest answer will include a tremendously higher death toll for Japan and the USSR.
So. It’s not our business what those two do to each other.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 5:18 pm to Landmass
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The real reason was that Russia was about to attack Japan and we did not want them controlling it.
Wait, did Russia attack Pearl Harbor on Dec.7? Oh, that wasn't until Nov. 8, 2016, right??
And people laugh at stuff Alex Jones says!
Certainly, could have been a contributing factor, but make no mistake, we were going in, and needed Japan to surrender before things got much uglier.
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:42 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Well. You only needed to change Hirohito’s mind, and even then, why was invasion the only option? Why was the binary choice invasion or nuke?
How would you have chosen to make them quit?
The only way to win a war is to break the other country's will to fight. In Imperial Japan, that was nearly impossible, because the entire population believed that the greatest honor possible was to die in battle in the name of Hirohito. Firebombing Tokyo didn't work. Operation Starvation, the attempt to destroy their interior shipping, didn't make them quit. Japan was prepared to fight until every man, woman, and child in the country was dead.
After Midway, Japan really lost their ability to go on the offensive, yet they kept fighting for three more years even after their situation looked bleak.
Even after the SECOND nuclear bomb was dropped, some members of the military high command were planning a coup to assassinate the Prime Minister, place the Emperor under house arrest, destroy the surrender tapes, and renege on the Potsdam Declaration so they could keep fighting.
People who don't think the bombs were necessary don't have a clue about the culture of Imperial Japan.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 9:09 am
Posted on 12/2/21 at 7:17 pm to TeLeFaWx
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So. It’s not our business what those two do to each other.
Sure it is. What if they do nothing to each other?
Posted on 12/2/21 at 7:18 pm to Zach
Revisionist historians need to jump off a cliff.
Those same cowards would be pleading for the bomb when stuck in the front of a land invasion.
Those same cowards would be pleading for the bomb when stuck in the front of a land invasion.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 7:34 pm to VADawg
An accurate historical synopsis of the end of the Empire. Just for the sake of continuing that accuracy and the lively debate thereof,....anyone care to comment on the history preceding the attack on Pearl and Americas antagonistic actions for many years towards Japan? I suffer no confusion over what I see as the best outcome. I am decidedly Pro-America. To the point of agreeing that dropping city killing bombs on them was the right thing to do. I am also interested in knowing how my country became involved in a world wide war and who benefited. A seldom discussed point
Posted on 12/2/21 at 7:37 pm to troyt37
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Sure it is.
Why?
Posted on 12/2/21 at 8:22 pm to Zach
We would have lost 1M men. God only knows how many Japanese people would have been killed. The country would have taken decades to get back on their feet. Even though 10s of thousands died it was the best course of action for them as a country since Dec 6th 1941. That next day, Sunday about 7 am they had put their country in a mess that had but one outcome.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 8:31 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Why?
Because of just what I said. What if Russia decides it is their best interest to walk away from that bloodbath? They already had lost millions of lives between Barbarossa, Stalingrad, and then fighting the Germans all the way back to Berlin. They were much more interested in feasting on the bones of the countries the Nazis conquered.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 8:35 pm to hogcard1964
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moonbat-Tom Hanks
Makes a living pretending to be somebody else, who gives a shite what his opinion is?
Posted on 12/2/21 at 8:36 pm to Zach
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For people who don't like the fact we nuked Japan
You have to make an example of someone who would attack us on our soil.
The very definition of "frick around and find out"
Posted on 12/2/21 at 8:55 pm to troyt37
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What if Russia decides it is their best interest to walk away from that bloodbath?
Cool with me. None of America’s business. We aren’t the world police and never needed to be.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 8:59 pm to VADawg
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Japan was as ruthless as any country involved in WW2
There's an argument to be made that the WW2 era Japanese were the most barbaric society in the last 1000 years. Some of the shite they did to POWs would have made Hitler cringe.
The two (so far), downvotes to your post are likely from folks that have not been taught history. Unfortunately, this is the case that will be in place going forward. For you folks that downvoted this, the poster was referring to what was going on in Japan at the time, not our great relationship we have with the Japanese people now. Back off the internet before downvoting and learn history.
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