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For people who don't like the fact we nuked Japan

Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:03 pm
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112410 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:03 pm
TIL there are 120,000 purple heart medals in storage.
They were all minted in 1945. Every purple heart medal awarded in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq or any other military event from 1945 till today is from the storage of 500,000 made in 1945.
That's how many casualties we estimated for our invasion of Japan. The bomb saved a lot of lives.
Posted by PhillyTiger90
Member since Dec 2015
10667 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:09 pm to
There’s video footage of school children and women doing military exercises with sharpened bamboo sticks.

You better believe we would need all of those 500,000 Purple Hearts if not more
Posted by DaleGribble
Bend, OR
Member since Sep 2014
6821 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:09 pm to
Japan was as ruthless as any country involved in WW2. They had the option to surrender before they were dropped and chose not to.

It's a great country now. But it seems like a lot of people usually struggle to look at things in the context of when/why they happened.
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18067 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:13 pm to
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The bomb saved a lot of lives.


That's surely what our corrupt government wanted you to think. The real reason was that Russia was about to attack Japan and we did not want them controlling it. We wanted to control it instead. At the least, 50% of what government tells you is bullshite.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79615 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:14 pm to
I always heard that the War Department had put in an order for over 1,000,000 body bags for the proposed overall Operation Downfall.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19372 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:16 pm to
The fire bombings were more devastating hitting over 60 cities.


quote:

TOKYO — It was not Hiroshima or Nagasaki, but in many ways, including lives lost, it was just as horrific.

On March 10, 1945, U.S. B-29 bombers flew over Tokyo in the dead of night, dumping massive payloads of cluster bombs equipped with a then-recent invention: napalm. A fifth of Tokyo was left a smoldering expanse of charred bodies and rubble.

Today, a modest floral monument in a downtown park honors the spirits of the 105,400 confirmed dead, many interred in common graves.

It was the deadliest conventional air raid ever, worse than Nagasaki and on par with Hiroshima. But the attack, and similar ones that followed in more than 60 other Japanese cities, have received little attention, eclipsed by the atomic bombings and Japan's postwar rush to rebuild.


LINK

Posted by Notrub14
Boston
Member since Dec 2018
931 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:17 pm to
Some people aren't consequentialists.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112410 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:18 pm to
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I always heard that the War Department had put in an order for over 1,000,000 body bags for the proposed overall Operation Downfall.


That's probably right. But body bags can be used a lot more often than purple hearts. The estimates were based on Okinawa casualties plus estimates of Japanese defenses.
When the war ended and we arrived in Japan we found out their the defenses were MUCH better than we estimated.
Posted by hogcard1964
Illinois
Member since Jan 2017
10384 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:20 pm to
I don't know of anyone (other than moonbat-Tom Hanks) who believes it wasn't necessary.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101293 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:20 pm to
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That's surely what our corrupt government wanted you to think. The real reason was that Russia was about to attack Japan and we did not want them controlling it. We wanted to control it instead. At the least, 50% of what government tells you is bullshite.


This doesn't make the point "bullshite."

We weren't not going to invade Mainland Japan as well, regardless of what Russia's intentions may have been.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44721 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:22 pm to
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That's how many casualties we estimated for our invasion of Japan. The bomb saved a lot of lives.


That's the low end estimate. There is a chance that a full invasion of the Japanese home islands would have required us to kill a lot of Japanese civilians as well.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
18798 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:23 pm to
my grandpa, 19 at the time, flew over hiroshima a few weeks after the bombing.

after all that, he said the japanese were remarkably humble people and he wanted to visit again one day, but never got the opportunity.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44721 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:23 pm to
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Japan was as ruthless as any country involved in WW2


There's an argument to be made that the WW2 era Japanese were the most barbaric society in the last 1000 years. Some of the shite they did to POWs would have made Hitler cringe.
Posted by Notrub14
Boston
Member since Dec 2018
931 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:24 pm to
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I don't know of anyone (other than moonbat-Tom Hanks) who believes it wasn't necessary.


Let me introduce you to two men who said it wasn't necessary that you may have never heard of:

1. Dwight David Eisenhower
2. Douglas MacArthur
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
16171 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:29 pm to
Japan was a dick during that era.

Slaughtered millions of Chinese. Enslaved millions more.

Japan was a legit war nation.

Without the shock and awe from the nukes, I don't think they give up. They were absolutely tenacious.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112410 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:34 pm to
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after all that, he said the japanese were remarkably humble people and he wanted to visit again one day, but never got the opportunity.


I recently saw a video of an older Japanese civilian who said the thing they liked about the Americans arriving was that life had been so strictly regulated by the Japanese govt that they missed individual freedom to live as they pleased.
Posted by SHELLBACKFROG
Alaska
Member since Nov 2021
27 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:36 pm to
Those that ACTUALLY run governments have put morality as a last choice if it is a choice at all! Why do you think they always want to disarm the populace? Government Elites only do what they need to maintain their own status and history is what they say it is! Politicians are only SHOWPIECES to entertain the populace and give them the illusion that they are somewhat free. This is the reality of what and how societies are controlled. Don't ever be disarmed because of these truths!
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16538 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:36 pm to
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1. Dwight David Eisenhower
2. Douglas MacArthur


Their concerns were after-the-fact and ring rather hollow since neither objected to the fire bombing of Tokyo and similar. They leveled criticism based on the grounds that the bombs resulted in indiscriminate killing of civilians yet the fire bombing campaigns were just as lethal if not more to the civilian population.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
19261 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:36 pm to
MacArthur pushed the island hopping campaign, instead of bypassing & then circling back to pick them off at the Navy's leisure. There'a reason so many of our troops who fought under him hated him with a passion. Body bag projections was something he never bothered with. Ike had very little to no inside information on the war in the Pacific. He had no actual experience in fighting the Japs & what that warfare entailed.
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
9580 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:37 pm to
Lol
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