re: For Any Here Who Don't Want the Save Act to Pass, Give Me Your Reason(s) Why

As I understand the situation, the big problems that I see with it are:

1. That the agencies to whom the documents are owed in order to verify eligibility to register to vote are supposedly incapable in many—if not most—smaller locales of actually verifying the authenticity of those documents. Because of what they are requiring, it gets complicated to verify depending on what documents you provide. Many government databases are not up to date, so you might simply not be found in them.

So eligible voters get turned away simply because their local DMV lacks the resources to successfully verify the authenticity of their documents, or you aren't found in some unkept government database.

And not just a few. Kansas is a test case because they passed a similar state law. 12% of all applicants were unable to register to vote because of this.

So it's legit a broken system out of the gate.

They could have avoided this by simply placing the burden on back end verification of easily verified documents that the DMV has pretty much universal access to.

But no, they had to outsmart themselves and frick it up, like always.

2. There are no clear guidelines for delivery of documents when registering online, which opens the door for abuse by frivolous denial of registration in locales with abusive intent.

3. Given the recent SCOTUS decision affirming mail in voting, the fact that the Act requires registration in person virtually guarantees a lawsuit before 2028 that will be fast tracked to SCOTUS. Someone will argue that the requirement to register in person violates the just-upheld ability to vote by mail. I doubt it would threaten the whole thing, but I guess it could.

Again, that's all according to my understanding, but that's my list of problems.

Those without ID will not able to vote and that includes almost all homeless.

And there’s nothing at all that speaks to the ability and capability of the homeless and such to have access to the process of getting an ID, cost free?? I’d be curious to know.

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Those without ID will not able to vote and that includes almost all homeless.

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Boo…fricking…Hoo. How many homeless are actually voting anyways. I think I can live with a small percentage of homeless not getting to vote if it means a large percentage of illegals aren’t.

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True. So what you are saying is you are fine with a DL and Soc Sec card for I9 but a DL and a BC to REGISTER to vote is one step too far. Is there really that big a difference between getting a SS card or a BC. If you are ok with one, then why not the other.

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Dude, I have no idea where my birth certificate is. I'd have to somehow request a duplicate copy of it.

I have a passport so this wouldn't affect me but I'd imagine there are plenty of adults that don't have passports and plenty that also don't have quick access to their birth certificate. A driver's license alone is all that should be required. Adding more documents to it (especially ones without photos) proves that this whole thing is a sham and has nothing to do with integrity of elections. And I'm 100% in favor of being required to present a photo ID to vote.

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Obtaining a birth certificate and a photo id is extremely easy.

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Getting a birth certificate is easy IF THEY HAVE YOU IN THEIR COMPUTER DATABASE. If they don't, you can still get one, but someone has to go down to the country records department and pull it on microfilm or paper.

The problem isn't getting one; it's the DMV or other election registration officials verify the authenticity of it once you present it to them (which is apparently a requirement of the bill).

If you're not in the computer database, you probably are just going to be out of luck. They aren't going to send someone from the DMV down to the country records office to pull out the microfilm every time someone shows up with a birth certificate that hasn't been entered into the country system yet. They'll just tell you that they can't verify it and they are sorry, but they can't register you to vote.

See above. This has already happened in Kansas. It kept 12% of applicants from being able to register.

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If a driver's license isn't sufficient then I can't get behind the legislation

Sorry, it's just stupid.

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If that's what it takes to keep you from voting I am more in than ever. Let's get the Save Act PASSED!

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Adding more documents to it (especially ones without photos) proves that this whole thing is a sham and has nothing to do with integrity of elections.

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I know that's a talking point you would cling to, but the data shows the opposite.

They've actually fricked this up in the other direction, by making it too complicated to verify, yet requiring point-of-issue verification.

Read my posts on the subject.

What they did is instead of putting the burden on the registeree, they put it on the election officials and required them to verify the authenticity of documents that they don't have the ability to verify in a significant percentage of cases.

That's not the action of someone who doesn't care about verification. It's the action of someone who DOES care, but is too dumb to anticipate the potential problems with it.

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If I had to find a copy of my birth certificate on short notice I'd be out of luck.

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Yeah, you said that.

But you could get another one as long as you have a driver's license and roughly $50 for related fees (in my state, anyway). That isn't the hard part.

The potential hard part is election officials being able to verify it once you hand it to them.