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re: Floyd did not die from asphyxiation
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:46 pm to Langland
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:46 pm to Langland
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:46 pm to Langland
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Is there body cam video? I want to see what happened before they put him to the ground.
the probable cause link posted in the tweet in the OP actually goes into a detailed play-by-play of what's on the body cam
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:49 pm to buckeye_vol
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perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life,
Would the cop's actions fit this description, if there aren't underlying conditions and/or intoxication? Would the cops actions kill a healthy normal person?
I don't know the answer, I would have to listen to evidence presented and go from there.
The cop isn't a doctor, and you can't just let people walk because they have a health condition.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:49 pm to the808bass
Right. I get that. But if this isn’t the exculpatory evidence then holy hell.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:49 pm to Caplewood
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Can you really trust what anyone says?
Not really. You can proportion belief according to the facts on hand. The report itself shows one of the officers was worried about delirium and asked Chauvin whether they should turn him on his side, to which Chauvin refused. The report makes clear the context, and it is likely the manslaughter charge will stick, which is culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk, if the report is accurate.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:50 pm to the808bass
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Dying is quite the finishing touch to that clever ruse.
so you're just going to omit the fact that he started flopping worse than James Harden as soon as the cops informed him that he was under arrest?
I wouldn't believed his complaints either until they couldn't find a pulse... that's when I would've been realized something was much more wrong than a resistant suspect
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:51 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:51 pm to rt3
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flopping worse than James Harden as soon as the cops informed him that he was under arrest?
I wonder what the symptoms are for excited delirium.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:52 pm to crazy4lsu
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The report itself shows one of the officers was worried about delirium and asked Chauvin whether they should turn him on his side, to which Chauvin refused.
That’s not gonna help him.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:53 pm to Smeg
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If the cause of death is determined to essentially be a heart attack, and not a form of asphyxiation, will you still blame the police?
Chauvin specifically, because the report makes clear that other officers were concerned about the victim’s body position, and asked if they should move him, to which Chauvin specifically refused.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:53 pm to Smeg
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Let's put it plainly. If the cause of death is determined to essentially be a heart attack, and not a form of asphyxiation, will you still blame the police?
I blame the cops for their actions, they used unnecessary force and improper methods to restrain someone who had already informed them of his suffering from a medical issue. They did so, over a minor alleged crime. They then continued this behaivor as he begged for his life and eventually went limp as he passed away under a mans knee. Whatever that is, it’s wrong and I hope they suffer and are punished for it. Perhaps they did it because they are jaded and didn’t believe him (they were wrong), perhaps because they are just violent and uncaring..I don’t care. It’s wrong and those defending/deflecting/whatever need to examine their hearts and pray for understanding.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:54 pm to the808bass
Almost as if the procedure posted earlier in this thread for an approved choke hold procedure requires the officers to provide medical attention following the use of the hold.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:55 pm to the808bass
They were smart to undercharge this jack booted thug.
frick him.
frick his life.
frick him.
frick his life.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:55 pm to auggie
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I have said numerous times since seeing the video of the arrest and the officer's actions, and knowing that the guy died, that it's an open and shut case. Officer guilty as hell.
If I was on a jury though, and was presented with evidence of serious underlying conditions + plus heavy drug use or intoxication, I would not be able to find intent on the part of the officer.
You can say, well if the officer didn't detain him and hold him down, he wouldn't be dead, but you could also say, if he didn't try to pass funny money, then resist arrest, he wouldn't be dead either.
This is where I am at. I guess there is a reason we aren’t seeing “the rest” of the video.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:56 pm to crazy4lsu
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Which makes keeping him prone very weird. Why would the police restrain him if he couldn’t breath before he was on the ground? That makes no sense.
Maybe they were just giving him artificial respiration the old-school way. Heroes, really.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:56 pm to the808bass
May I ask relatively important question but nobody I have seen has asked it....
Was there any details of bruising, discoloration, or fractures on Mr Floyd’s body?
To me there’s your case, with any of these it’s over.
Was there any details of bruising, discoloration, or fractures on Mr Floyd’s body?
To me there’s your case, with any of these it’s over.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:56 pm to Ingeniero
just to point out
Chauvin faces 2 different charges
3rd degree murder - max of 25 years in prison
2nd degree manslaughter - max of 10 years in prison
Chauvin faces 2 different charges
3rd degree murder - max of 25 years in prison
2nd degree manslaughter - max of 10 years in prison
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:56 pm to crazy4lsu
It’s easy to look at it analytically when you aren’t trying to subdue a 6’6” black guy who is resisting arrest.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:57 pm to Smeg
quote:Do you realize how dumb this sounds? So of somebody hog-tied you, left you in the woods for two weeks, and you died, they didn't directly kill you right? You died from one of many other issues, but not from the action of being tied up.
A contribution is not a direct cause.
That person just contributed to your cause of death so it shouldn't be seen as bad.
That's what you sound like right now.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:58 pm to rt3
quote:
just to point out
Chauvin faces 2 different charges
3rd degree murder - max of 25 years in prison
2nd degree manslaughter - max of 10 years in prison
Might as well list the possible federal Civil rights prison sentence as well.
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