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re: Floyd did not die from asphyxiation
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:59 pm to diat150
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:59 pm to diat150
quote:3rd degree murder doesn't require intent. So perhaps "where you are" should be in getting up to speed on the basics prior to issuing opinions.
This is where I am at. I guess there is a reason we aren’t seeing “the rest” of the video.
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:59 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Do you realize how dumb this sounds? So of somebody hog-tied you, left you in the woods for two weeks, and you died, they didn't directly kill you right? You died from one of many other issues, but not from the action of being tied up.
That person just contributed to your cause of death so it shouldn't be seen as bad.
That's what you sound like right now.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:59 pm to bird35
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I'm pretty sure if he did not get neck kneeled he would be home by now.
Sure?? Really?? How's that? Since you didn't perform an autopsy and have no medical training clearly it must be your psychic powers at work.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:59 pm to Ingeniero
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The fricking report says the knee contributed to his death
The quote you provided specifically does "not" say that. It says "likely." That is a guess. That will not stand in a court of law and a clean jury.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:01 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Do you realize how dumb this sounds?
Let's see if your logic is sound. You see a man who (unknown to you) has a blood clot. You greet each other with a firm handshake. The handshake dislodges the blood clot, he has a stroke, and dies.
You are now a murderer and should go to jail.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:01 pm to auggie
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Would the cop's actions fit this description, if there aren't underlying conditions and/or intoxication? Would the cops actions kill a healthy normal person?
I don't know the answer, I would have to listen to evidence presented and go from there.
The cop isn't a doctor, and you can't just let people walk because they have a health condition.
The cop can also lean on the fact that he did merely what he was taught to do as per the approved restraint methods accepted by minnesota law.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:02 pm to Ingeniero
There were two types of neck hold described. Conscious and unconscious. Conscious warrants at most moderate pressure to subdue. Unconscious warrants appropriate pressure to render unconscious.
Clearly it wasn't conscious pressue because he went unconscious, and can you justify unconscious pressure for a man who's already lying prone with his hands handcuffed behind his back?
Clearly it wasn't conscious pressue because he went unconscious, and can you justify unconscious pressure for a man who's already lying prone with his hands handcuffed behind his back?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:02 pm to notsince98
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The cop can also lean on the fact that he did merely what he was taught to do as per the approved restraint methods accepted by minnesota law.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:03 pm to auggie
quote:I’m confident that a healthy person would be more likely to die in that scenario, and I’m also confident he’s far from the most unhealthy person who could have been out in that situation since we’re a pretty unhealthy society by that standard.
Would the cop's actions fit this description, if there aren't underlying conditions and/or intoxication? Would the cops actions kill a healthy normal person?
So if the cop’s have a unique authority and training to be able to use force, they also have the responsibility to apply it appropriately and carefully. And some standard of “a completely healthy person may not have died,” would mean that they did not deaths that authority.
Regardless, the fact that or continued well after Floyd was unconscious, after bystanders begged for them to check his pulse as a result, AND after the ambulance was not only called BUT HAD ARRIVED, eliminates the benefit of the doubt that he could have been afforded if he had stopped and helped Floyd.
In other words, if Floyd has gone unconscious and the cop stopped, checked on him, and assisted him but Floyd still died, then a murder charge would be far less appropriate. But he didn’t do a single one of those.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:03 pm to TigerCruise
Can we apply causal learning and a 5 why to this situation to get to the root of the issue?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:04 pm to TigerCruise
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Medical examiner said they found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation" in Jeffrey Epstein’s death
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:04 pm to TigerCruise
Bluegrass belle has got to taken this news hard
She’s out there rioting for nothing now
She’s out there rioting for nothing now
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:04 pm to Smeg
Choke hold== Capable of killing that is why there is a strict set of policies around its use.
Hog tying and leaving in the wilderness==Capable of killing a person
Handshake==Generally agreed to not be a "kill move", but for germ spreading.
Hog tying and leaving in the wilderness==Capable of killing a person
Handshake==Generally agreed to not be a "kill move", but for germ spreading.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:04 pm to Smeg
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Let's see if your logic is sound. You see a man who (unknown to you) has a blood clot. You greet each other with a firm handshake. The handshake dislodges the blood clot, he has a stroke, and dies.
That's not exactly an apples to apples comparison though is it?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:04 pm to TigerCruise
quote:No one watching a man kneeling on the side of Floyd's neck would expect the post to show traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. The coroner is eventually going to have to opine on COD. This was almost certainly an instance of carotid compression and/or carotid body compression. The effect would be similar to a prolonged (8 minute) "sleeper hold".
Medical examiner said they found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation" in George Floyd's death
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:05 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Clearly it wasn't conscious pressue because he went unconscious, and can you justify unconscious pressure for a man who's already lying prone with his hands handcuffed behind his back?
Defense Attorney: "Doctor, can you say for certain that the deceased lost consciousness due to the defendant's actions and not from the heart attack it appears the deceased was suffering, which was unknown to my client?"
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:07 pm to notsince98
quote:Well you could say he did what he was taught to do if you ignore that he was immediately fired then charged with murder, neither of which would happen if he merely did what he was taught to do.
The cop can also lean on the fact that he did merely what he was taught to do as per the approved restraint methods accepted by minnesota law.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:07 pm to Smeg
I think anyone with an IQ above 20 can see there's a difference between shaking someone's hand firmly and kneeling on the back of someone's neck for 10 minutes.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:08 pm to Roaad
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Roaad
LOL. Yes, you're right. A restraint technique that police are trained to do and use all the time is definitely close to the equivalent of abandoning someone, hog-tied, in the woods for two weeks!
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:08 pm to NC_Tigah
So my mom died of a pulmonary embolism. Blood clot in the leg traveled to her lungs. Was with her the whole time, and while we were waiting for the ambulance to show up, she kept screaming "I CAN'T BREATHE, I CAN'T BREATHE". It wasn't asphyxiation, but definitely at least a sensation of not being able to draw a breath.
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