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re: Fitting that John Roberts puts a bullet into the head of the USA on its 250th birthday

Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:00 pm to
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Probably not until it’s too late.


How would we know it's too late?

As we have seen with violent crime data, what is, and how people feel, are 2 very different things. The question is if that pattern would repeat no matter what actually happens.
Posted by TDFreak
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:03 pm to
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The only pathways available now are

Complete ending of immigration via legislation or

Trying to get 3/4ths (38) of the states to pass an Amendment.

You left off secession.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:12 pm to
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How would we know it's too late?


“It’S a ProBleM of CrIteRiOn,” the barrister uttered into the void.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:14 pm to
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How would we know it's too late?

As we have seen with violent crime data, what is, and how people feel, are 2 very different things. The question is if that pattern would repeat no matter what actually happens.


Thoughts here -

- Pressures to assimilate were much higher in an era without separate institutions, linguistic accommodation, work accommodation, etc. (assume you agree here)

- Arguably less assimilation required to begin with (overwhelmingly culturally Christian in one form or another)

But even these things aside, I think the question not asked is - why? Why are we saying "well we won't know for sure until it gets here" when we could just determine it's not at all in our interest to put it to the test in the first place?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:15 pm to
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“It’S a ProBleM of CrIteRiOn,” the barrister uttered into the void.


quote:

As we have seen with violent crime data, what is, and how people feel, are 2 very different things. The question is if that pattern would repeat no matter what actually happens.


Facts don't care about your feelings.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:17 pm to
And when a community is hollowed out because the productive residents no longer felt safe?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:18 pm to
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But even these things aside, I think the question not asked is - why? Why are we saying "well we won't know for sure until it gets here" when we could just determine it's not at all in our interest to put it to the test in the first place?


Well I didn't say the part you're asking why, and you skipped over the prior question I asked him.

Look I am all for criticizing actual pathological culture. I do it with the Lower Class Mentality all the time, from black ghettos to rural white areas and latino barrios.

But the goalposts have shifted and ignore much of the culture. It's very hard to argue that educated Indians who commit no crimes and are economically prosperous who pay taxes, etc. are somehow spreading pathological culture.

Are there economic issues with them? Sure, but we're talking culture here.

And it's even worse with Latinos, who are from Western culture and promote it in America. Targeting well-to-do Latinos who aren't engaging in LCM pathologies is really weird in a cultural context.
This post was edited on 6/30/26 at 12:19 pm
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:19 pm to
Life isn’t a math problem. And you’re not on here because it does anything other than scratch an itch in your subconscious all while presenting as the voice of reason.

No one will argue you out of delusion.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:21 pm to
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It's very hard to argue that educated Indians who commit no crimes and are economically prosperous who pay taxes, etc. are somehow spreading pathological culture.

Are there economic issues with them? Sure, but we're talking culture here.


It was one thing when they were 1% of the 1% that were coming over 30 years ago. I think we all respected that 98% of them became engineers or physicians. This lower-tier H1B class finding long-term employment and potential citizenship that is flooding Texas is something different IMO.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:22 pm to
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Are there economic issues with them? Sure, but we're talking culture here.



Well, go back to my hypo earlier. Do you sympathize with communities that are becoming Indian enclaves with no real explanation for who did this and why?

I don't have a vehement argument as to the objective negatives of Indian culture. I do know it's not Texas culture. I know that India, where it originates, is filled with glaring faults.

But I don't think Texans have to answer that question to your/someone else's satisfaction, TBH.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:24 pm to
A lot of cultural rot is tied to phones and people being insular in their everyday lives. Younger people have anxiety about basic adult functions because they’ve been looking at blue lights for 15 years.

I don’t have any backing on this I can point to, but I think the proliferation of social media and streaming services decreased crime bc people are less out and about than they were. I occasionally drive through bad neighborhoods for work. No one is outside other than a few corner stores and some homeless.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:25 pm to
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Amendment. Pass an amendment.


2/3 of states would have to pass it. Ain't gonna happen.

However, I bet a federal law passed by Congress to clarify the existing constitutional amendment would pass muster to the court. Just like all the federal laws restricting other amendments like 1A (can't yell fire in a theater) or 2A (can't own a nuclear weapon) pass muster in the supreme court.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:25 pm to
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This lower-tier H1B class finding long-term employment and potential citizenship that is flooding Texas is something different IMO.

That's an economic argument, not a cultural one.

I agree the supply-demand has shifted in the AI era and we need to be more discriminatory with that economic program.

But that's why I distinguished that from the conversation being had.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:26 pm to
I’m about 20 minutes away from one of the HB1 strongholds here. Indians do not participate in larger society. They are entirely insular. That isn’t true for the first and second generation folks that came here decades ago but it’s very true for newer imports.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:27 pm to
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A lot of cultural rot is tied to phones and people being insular in their everyday lives. Younger people have anxiety about basic adult functions because they’ve been looking at blue lights for 15 years.


This is true too and I don't disagree, but I don't know if it's specifically related to their arguments.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:30 pm to
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I don't have a vehement argument as to the objective negatives of Indian culture. I do know it's not Texas culture. I know that India, where it originates, is filled with glaring faults.

But I don't think Texans have to answer that question to your/someone else's satisfaction, TBH.


I'm not even sure what argument is even being made or position is being held. Kind of gets to the point I was making.
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:31 pm to
It’s not the supreme courts job to make laws. I couldn’t stand it when previous courts did it. Congress needs to do their d*** job.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:44 pm to
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The United States vs Wong Kim Ark was closed in 1898.



I got news for you.

That case did not hold that the kids born of illegals are citizens.

Wong’s parents were permanent residents.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:44 pm to
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That case did not hold that the kids born of illegals are citizens.

Wong’s parents were permanent residents.


A distinction without a difference
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:49 pm to
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I can argue both for individual responsibility and the utter superiority of Western civilization and values. I’m ambidextrous like that.

But I'm the one here arguing for both. I feel like you agree with me, but you don't realize it quite yet. I'll be patient.
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