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re: Fitting that John Roberts puts a bullet into the head of the USA on its 250th birthday
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:25 am to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:25 am to onmymedicalgrind
quote:In some ways, both can be true.
Because it's the only basis by which a successful person would have optimism for the future of America
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Have you not learned from all these foreigners coming over to the US for the World Cup? Grass is always greener…..
I certainly have concerns about a country finding its young college graduates unemployed in double digit numbers, or about rising far left radicals, or the lack of civil discourse and the lack of critical reasoning in our society.
But you're right, the negativity from both camps, right and left, is overdone.
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:29 am to Pettifogger
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"nonsense" - the institutions that will enable OMMG's kids to have a lucrative life
You forgot the "sky is falling" part.
Nothing will "enable" my kids to have a lucrative lifestyle. That's on them. Again, why do you rely on others to have to do so much for you?
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:32 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Nothing will "enable" my kids to have a lucrative lifestyle. That's on them. Again, why do you rely on others to have to do so much for you?
So we drop you into say Guatemala and your kids have the same lifestyle and possibilities.
After all, it’s just up to you and them.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:35 am to madmaxvol
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Section 1 of the 14th Amendment states "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
The SCOTUS' hands were tied with the language in Section 1, which was based on the 1898 Supreme Court case United States v. Wong Kim Ark. The Amendment needs Congressional work to be reworded, and the states need to pass it. Then there is no choice but to enforce the proper approach.
section 1 of the 14th amendment was based on an 1898 supreme court case? very interesting. when was the 14th amendment passed? passed 1866, ratified 1868.
Also why did you not bold "subject to the jurisdiction thereof", which is the relevant language?
This post was edited on 6/30/26 at 11:36 am
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:35 am to Taxing Authority
quote:You’re missing the point and all it takes is a Democrat President to re-open the border.
Nonsense. The case does not diminish the ability to enforce the border, which, is what ultimately stops illegals from abusing the birthright to citizenship.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:37 am to onmymedicalgrind
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You forgot the "sky is falling" part.
Nothing will "enable" my kids to have a lucrative lifestyle. That's on them. Again, why do you rely on others to have to do so much for you?
Are they going to college? Who founded and funded those? Are they going into professions with established organizations and pathways? Who created them?
And yes yes, you're going to get yours, etc. I know.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:39 am to the808bass
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So we drop you into say Guatemala and your kids have the same lifestyle and possibilities.
After all, it’s just up to you and them.
This kind of sounds like your making my case for me?
In America, its up to me and them. Why I believe America ain't so bad.
I would not be making this same argument if I were trying to build a life in a South Sudan village.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:40 am to onmymedicalgrind
Ok. That’s a fair point.
But it acknowledges that the opportunity that is present is tied to culture.
You change the culture, you change the opportunity.
But it acknowledges that the opportunity that is present is tied to culture.
You change the culture, you change the opportunity.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:40 am to Pettifogger
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Are they going to college? Who founded and funded those? Are they going into professions with established organizations and pathways? Who created them?
Great country we live in, huh? Glad this isn't Guatemala.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:42 am to the808bass
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Ok. That’s a fair point.
But it acknowledges that the opportunity that is present is tied to culture.
You change the culture, you change the opportunity.
And my argument is that even if I conceded that, nothing has a more tangible impact on ones opportunities (living here in America) than things that are directly in that person (and their family's) control.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:42 am to the808bass
Correct. The argument is that the system being detached from the values and culture that built it and sustained it shouldn't be concerning.
Which, obviously, I object to.
Which, obviously, I object to.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:46 am to onmymedicalgrind
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And my argument is that even if I conceded that, nothing has a more tangible impact on ones opportunities (living here in America) than things that are directly in that person (and their family's) control.
Amazing. Next you will explain how the sun rises in the east.
Relative success in Haiti isn’t any sort of analogy to relative success in the US.
I can argue both for individual responsibility and the utter superiority of Western civilization and values. I’m ambidextrous like that.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:47 am to Pettifogger
We long for the function and decry the form.
Men without chests in real life.
Men without chests in real life.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:49 am to the808bass
If we put it in very definite terms -
You're a Christian, multi-generation Texas family holding out in Plano as the neighborhood you taught your kids to ride bikes in becomes an Indian or Pakistani enclave. Your kids will do fine. They have money. They're smart. Is that all there is to it?
You're a Christian, multi-generation Texas family holding out in Plano as the neighborhood you taught your kids to ride bikes in becomes an Indian or Pakistani enclave. Your kids will do fine. They have money. They're smart. Is that all there is to it?
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:49 am to narddogg81
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section 1 of the 14th amendment was based on an 1898 supreme court case? very interesting. when was the 14th amendment passed? passed 1866, ratified 1868.
Also why did you not bold "subject to the jurisdiction thereof", which is the relevant language?
The United States vs Wong Kim Ark was closed in 1898. The result of that case was the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in a 6-2 vote that anyone born on U.S. soil is automatically a U.S. citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment, regardless of their parents' nationality or immigration status. So, Section 1 was added to the Amendment for clarification of their decision.
I was highlighting the language that is being focused on to deemphasize the wording "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". It isn't the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" that needs to be changed...it's the legality of the presence of the person giving birth when the child is born that needs to be clarified.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:50 am to Pettifogger
If your worldview is multicultural and material, yes. That’s all there is to it.
Different strokes, baby.
Different strokes, baby.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:51 am to the808bass
Is there an objective way to judge if the cultural fear mongering is ultimately proven true or false over time?
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:54 am to ClientNumber9
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Amendment. Pass an amendment.
I have a better chance of birthing a baby.....yeah I'm a guy....a real one.....with a dick.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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there an objective way to judge if the cultural fear mongering is ultimately proven true or false over time?
Id need a gay man tossed from a building by the local authorities. A public beheading might be sufficient as well.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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Is there an objective way to judge if the cultural fear mongering is ultimately proven true or false over time?
Probably not until it’s too late.
You’ve probably never run into a problem of criterion before that you couldn’t solve to your own satisfaction.
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