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re: FDR, Pearl Harbor, The “Great Man” Myth And The True Historical Record…
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:20 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:20 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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The defense of FDR was that he was half dead at Yalta
Maybe. It didn't matter -- the pro-Soviet-Globalist State Dept were the ones who sold out America and the entire world.
FDR was however still very much alive during the commie State Dept's plotting and planning of the Pearl Harbor FF phase of catapulting the war against Japan.
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Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:21 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Sadly many in that generation dutifully admired FDR.
My Grandfather passed in late 1995. He went to his grave swearing that FDR had dragged us kicking and screaming into the global conflict to cover up what a colossal failure the New Deal had been in pulling us out of the Depression.
This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:26 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Stalin likely knew this, and Churchill?
Allies spy on Allies. It's one of espionage's dirty little secrets. Of course Churchill knew Roosevelt had run his race.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:50 pm to pizzathehut
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crippled POS
The same folks who would tell us there's no 'Deep State', and that we're all just kooky crazy conspiracy cultists would be stunned to know that the DC media of the day both knew of and actively took part in hiding FDR's...
Nah, what am I saying.
They'd fully understand. They hid Joe's mental deficiency every bit as the media covered for the other Democrat 80 years earlier. . 
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:04 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:Roosevelt learned well from Lincoln
In short, the Roosevelt Administration deceptively told the public that FDR had endeavored to sustain peace with Japan when in truth the Roosevelt administration was debating how to provoke Japan.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:20 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Sure, sure, sure. You will get your next chance with JD Der Fuhrer Vance as president.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:23 pm to EphesianArmor
A “globalist” banker paid Winston Churchill 2 million to attack Germany
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:43 pm to OchoDedos
Not sure I would’ve called Stalin an ally beyond in name only.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 4:00 pm to Penrod
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You are profoundly ignorant to believe that.
Ignorance alone cannot produce that level of malevolence. He's got to have some anger management problems goading him into this pathetic offering.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 4:11 pm to Doctor Strangelove
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In short, Democrats have always been lying scumbags. FDR gave Stalin everything he wanted at Yalta. Alger Hiss was Stalins inside man at Yalta but few know that FDR had been notified that Hiss was undermining the USA.
The United States allying with a blood thirsty tyrant like Stalin is a great tragedy of history. The conventional narrative of WWII championed by far too many conservatives does not comport with the historical record.
For instance, Churchill was a staunch anti-communist — except when he wasn’t. Indeed, Churchill’s famous lamentation over an “Iron Curtain” descending over much of Eastern Europe was in large part facilitated by Churchill’s secretly negotiated “percentage agreement” with “Uncle Joe” Stalin:
In truth, Churchill was first and foremost an Imperialist: his moral convictions swelled or slumped based on what was best for the continuation of British militaristic hegemony after WWII. This is well and fine if Empire is your thing yet the incessant conservative mythology of Churchill being some stalwart defender of small “r” republican values is utterly absurd and antihistorical.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 4:13 pm to Narax
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Yes, fully agreed, the question though is did they suspect a massive strike on Pearl Harbor.
That certainly is the crux of the issue. Yet if the argument is the Roosevelt Administration believed Japan a.) either lacked the capacity to strike Pearl Harbor or b.) wasn’t audacious enough to do so, it still begs a question.
Why wasn’t the intercepted Japanese communique that an attack was imminent not shared with the military command? And why weren’t the commanders at Wake Island, Guam, the Philippines, and other Pacific outposts not warned of Japan’s promise of an imminent attack?
If the Roosevelt Administration’s refusal to share that intercepted message with the military command is not a smoking gun indicating the Roosevelt Administration were hoping for a Japanese attack, the gun’s barrel certainly is warm. It indeed raises a legitimate question if the Roosevelt Administration might have strategically chosen not to communicate this information for ulterior motives; at the very minimum, it was a gross dereliction of duty.
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The preserving of this secret saved tens of thousands of lives, and enabled the US victory at Midway, the shooting down of Yamamoto, and many successful submarine strikes.
It didn’t save any lives at Pearl Harbor.
This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 12/9/25 at 4:15 pm to Toomer Deplorable
The U.S. government that they teach you about in school, the one where we’re the good guys, etc. has been dead since at least 1860.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 4:19 pm to VOR
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It was a gross deception by the Japanese.
As was the Roosevelt Administration’s scapegoating of military commanders for their own failures.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 4:21 pm to wackatimesthree
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In context, it's not strange at all that FDR fumbled Pearl Harbor. It's unfortunate but it's not strange, not nefarious, not suspicious, and above all it is not obviously deliberate.
Mistakes were made.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 4:31 pm to NC_Tigah
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Roosevelt learned well from Lincoln
What President waged a war that was overwhelmingly unpopular in the nation’s largest urban cities?
What President unleashed combat troops from the battlefield to assault citizen protestors in New York City?
What President unilaterally suspended the writ of habeas corpus and arrested thousands of private citizens in the dark of night and held them in political prison camps?
What President ignored a Supreme Court Justice’s ruling that the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus was unConstitutional and should be reinstated?
What president had a newspaper editor arrested for criticizing the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus?
What President had a sitting member of Congress arrested for criticizing the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus?
What President had his soldiers bombard and destroy newspaper buildings and newspaper printing plants that were critical of the war effort or even dared questioned the President’s policies?
What President was involved in telegraphic censorship of newspapers critical of the President’s policies?
What President declared he would abandon the U.S. Constitution to save the Union?
What President said he cared not in freeing the slaves but only in saving the Union?
What President is uniformly hailed by the leaders of the Uniparty® as one of the greatest Presidents ever for “saving the Union?”
Lincoln would love the Deep State.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 4:40 pm to Narax
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To note we did have an educated and experienced command system.
Perhaps so by the standards of 1940 and 1941, but, in the modern sense of what we mean when we say "We have an educated and experienced military high command system", we mean something a tad better than the way the US military's 1941 command system handled the situation.
We can learn from how the US military high command system handled the Pacific Crisis of 1940 and 1941. We know by proof of fact that the manner in which it was handled was faulty. We try to discern why and how it was faulty. My focus centers on my conclusion that the command system back then was not as experienced and educated as today's Officers, and that caused their negligence.
We agree that the US military command system was Negligent, don't we?
I think so, and, I believe that today's military leadership is thankfully better at this business.
We could have had our Pacific military forces at a higher state of readiness and situational awareness during the last months of 1940 and 1941. The US Navy was in a shooting war with the German Navy in the Atlantic theater during those months, for goodness sake, would any reasonable high commander in the Pacific take note of this and act on his own initiative to step up air recon patrols from land based and ship-based aircraft? Today's military commander would certainly do so.
I don't think that the negligence of the 1941 US military Pacific Command is excusable in any way, and I think it's kind of an insult to a good Officer Corps for someone to suggest that this kind of negligence is excusable. I'm just speaking from the perspective of a retired US military Officer. I'm coming from a background well-versed in what the Nation expects of us - it's a very high standard - high enough that it's easy to fail to meet the standard.
We definitely learned a hard lesson from the mistakes and negligence of our peers who were running the US military Pacific Command back in 1941. We'll never forget that lesson.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 4:44 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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the security failures
What does the US always suffer from this? have we learned nothing from history?
Posted on 12/9/25 at 5:06 pm to EphesianArmor
The simultaneous attacks by the Japanese on the Philippines and elsewhere towards the resources in the SW Pacific would likely have been sufficient to get the US to respond.
Times Radio History does many "what ifs" including if the Japanese hadn't attacked Pearl Harbor...
YT
Times Radio History does many "what ifs" including if the Japanese hadn't attacked Pearl Harbor...
YT
Posted on 12/9/25 at 5:06 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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So despite intercepting a secret communique from the Japanese high command informing Germany of an imminent attack on Anglo-American military forces, the Roosevelt Administration failed to notify the military command of the escalating situation?
I mean...the writing was on the wall by early-December 1941. We had broken their diplomatic codes long before the attack on Pearl Harbor and we could tell from message traffic that hostilities between the United States and Japan were almost certainly imminent. The only question was where that attack would come. Our best guess at the time was the Philippines and perhaps our island possessions in the central Pacific would be ground zero for the predicted Japanese offensive.
Pearl Harbor was ruled out by the military, not politicians, due to the impracticalities many within the high command thought such an attack would present.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 5:07 pm to Doctor Strangelove
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Read Witness by Whitaker Chambers. He had a private meeting with FDR and told him about Alger Hiss and other communist in his cabinet. FDR brushed him off and Chambers surmised it was because FDR was smitten with communism to a large degree.
FDR had a communist in his bedroom too and as his VP.
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