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re: FCC Chairman states that state and local laws would be preempted
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:46 pm to funnystuff
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:46 pm to funnystuff
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You’re pitiful dude
Your opinion is noted and disregarded
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:46 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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It isn't hard to blow through a data cap as a cord cutter. Esp if you are a family with kids.
And when you consider that the ISP’s, for the most part, are also the cable companies...
This is one thing I think gets missed a lot in this debate. It’s not just about the ISP’s ability to throttle bandwidth to people downloading torrents so that they can provide “better service to their other customers”. And it’s not just about the potential suppression of political views, news outlets, or whatever else. That may be an issue in the long run, but doesn’t seem all that likely in the near future.
However, I can DEFINITELY see the ISP’s targeting streaming services via throttled bandwidth or usage caps immediately as they have a lot to gain by bringing the cord cutters back to cable. I’d bet there are quite a few other similar areas that we haven’t thought of yet.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:47 pm to northshorebamaman
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Then you should be opposed to hidden fees.
Using my prior questions explain
If I'm paying $50 what do I care of the breakdown within the $50?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:48 pm to lostinbr
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However, I can DEFINITELY see the ISP’s targeting streaming services via throttled bandwidth or usage caps immediately as they have a lot to gain by bringing the cord cutters back to cable. I’d bet there are quite a few other similar areas that we haven’t thought of yet.
I've yet to see the value in cord cutting. My UVerse 300 plus internet is still cheaper than two sling accounts, netflix, hulu, and upgrading to an internet speed that would reduce buffering to stream everything.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:50 pm to ShortyRob
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If I'm paying $50 what do I care of the breakdown within the $50?
That's not a hidden fee. Hidden fees are when you lock into a contract at $50 and when your bill shows up it's $65.
Geez, who the frick is pro-hidden fees? What's wrong with you?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:50 pm to Golfer
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Yes. 75% of census tracts. My apologies
If you unpeel those options, they are often low download rates below what is a pretty conservative definition of high speed broadband comparative to other nations.
What you are often talking about with those three choices is a cable monopoly of a region that doubles as the primary isp. A dsl option that never meets its stated high end 10-15 mbps. And things like satellite options where you pay for something like 90 gigs of data for 100 dollars a month and speeds that never come close to advertised, if service itself isn’t interrupted frequently. Some places will have niche ISP’s that serve specific markets, often piggy backing off the natural monopoly of the area so their costs are naturally more expensive for what you get.
And let’s also keep in mind, these ISP’s have testified in court to their intentions of using net neutrality reversal to set up fast and slow lanes. To set up the system similar to cable. So if you love your cable monopoly, enjoy that arrangement, you might in fact like their vision for the internet.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:51 pm to northshorebamaman
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That's not a hidden fee. Hidden fees are when you lock into a contract at $50 and when your bill shows up it's $65.
Well okay then. That's different than the example the other poster gave.
quote:i didn't say that
Geez, who the frick is pro-hidden fees? What's wrong with you?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:51 pm to Golfer
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I've yet to see the value in cord cutting. My UVerse 300 plus internet is still cheaper than two sling accounts, netflix, hulu, and upgrading to an internet speed that would reduce buffering to stream everything.
I save about $150 a month cutting the cord. I also know what I am doing setting up my network and devices for my family.
No renting substandard equipment or extra charges on a tv bill for stuff we dont watch.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:52 pm to ShortyRob
Here's the thing, I've yet to see a compelling business model that squeezing the internet would work out well for the ISPs long term. Would some try it if they could? Probably so. At&T/Comcast wouldn't be able to if NN went away, so we'd be able to see real quick which format customers prefer. We could get a real quick answer to would ISPs be able to do such a thing and remain viable.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:53 pm to ShortyRob
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Well okay then. That's different than the example the other poster gave.
Sorry. I assumed you knew what hidden fees were.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:54 pm to ShortyRob
I’ll do the same. Because at the end of the day...
And just for your own edification, taking principles of micro and macro does not make you an informed economist. It puts you at the apex of the dunning-kruger curve.
quote:You clearly don’t understand basic information behind internet billing. If you don’t know what hidden fees are and how they are applied to your account (and you clearly don’t), you really shouldn’t be participating in this discussion with such strong conviction.
This is a message board not a training seminar. If you don't arrive with basic knowledge that's on you not me
And just for your own edification, taking principles of micro and macro does not make you an informed economist. It puts you at the apex of the dunning-kruger curve.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:54 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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I save about $150 a month cutting the cord.
I don't even pay $150 for 300+ cable channels and internet
Won't argue with you on the shitty equipment. AT&T has to send me a new cable box at least once a year. But I'm not leasing it.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:54 pm to Golfer
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I've yet to see the value in cord cutting. My UVerse 300 plus internet is still cheaper than two sling accounts, netflix, hulu, and upgrading to an internet speed that would reduce buffering to stream everything.
To be honest, I’m not a cord cutter either. I think it’s kind of a PITA to deal with and I’m happy with my current package.
But I do know a lot of people that go this route, with or without Sling etc. Hell I know quite a few who are happy with Netflix and HBO Go.
Regardless though, I do USE Netflix and don’t love the idea of my ISP being able to make me pay a ransom just because streaming services can take some of their revenue.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:58 pm to funnystuff
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You clearly don’t understand basic information behind internet billing. If you don’t know what hidden fees are and how they are applied to your account (and you clearly don’t), you really shouldn’t be participating in this discussion with such strong conviction.
And just for your own edification, taking principles of micro and macro does not make you an informed economist. It puts you at the apex of the dunning-kruger curve.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:00 pm to ShortyRob
A) Because if you agree to pay $50, they can apply a hidden service fee to your account that will bump your bill to $60 without teling you about it. If you use direct deposit, you won’t see the change.
B) Because despite your belief to the contrary, you are not perfectly rational. Check out behavioral economics to see how easy it is to manipulate your behavior.
B) Because despite your belief to the contrary, you are not perfectly rational. Check out behavioral economics to see how easy it is to manipulate your behavior.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:01 pm to bonhoeffer45
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So if you love your cable monopoly, enjoy that arrangement, you might in fact like their vision for the internet.
I have 5 options last I checked for cable.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:02 pm to northshorebamaman
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Geez, who the frick is pro-hidden fees? What's wrong with you?
Dude we have had people on here saying they want fast lanes and that data caps are good.
Its mind blowing
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:02 pm to Golfer
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have 5 options last I checked for cable.
Jesus Christ dude where do you live that you have 4 high-speed ISPs and 5 cable providers?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:05 pm to Golfer
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I don't even pay $150 for 300+ cable channels and internet
My internet alone is $105 a month and thats with a data cap.
Im not even close to their top tier. To increase my cap i have to purchase bandwidth i dont even fricking need. Which i already did getting the 200 meg package. I don't need more than 50-100.
I still get the previous tenants combined internet/tv bills and they are well in excess of $250.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:05 pm to funnystuff
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If you use direct deposit, you won’t see the change.
I’m not supporting hidden fees, but how would I not see the change if I use direct deposit?
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