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re: FCC Chairman states that state and local laws would be preempted
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:15 pm to northshorebamaman
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:15 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:I'm the kind of guy who always asks for what the bottom line will be. Anyone who's ever bought tires a car cell phone package Etc and knows that's a good idea to ask. So I guess I wouldn't be surprised and I'm baffled why anybody would be.
You added quite a bit there. You can easily find out what they're calling the fees. The problem is by that point you're locked into a contract and good luck with that. Ever had a billing dispute with Comcast? It's a PITA.
As to me not liking them being upfront. I absolutely prefer that they be up front. I'm just not one of these people that My Consumer preferences legislative into law.
I also hate dealer prep fees when you try to buy a car so I anticipate them when I show up and deal with it negotiations. I would prefer they didn't exist but again I'm not looking for government to impose that.
I could probably list a thousand things I don't like when it comes to things I shop for. I simply understand that the fact that human Endeavors have imperfections is not a rationale for involving government
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:19 pm to funnystuff
quote:oh this should be glorious. Explain to me why if I pay $50 and there is a hidden fee included in the $50 that this is different than if I just agreed to pay $50 in the first place. Either I'm okay with paying $50 I'm not. You clearly don't understand the complex concept you are trying to invoke
You claimed that 50 dollars is 50 dollars is 50 dollars. Behavioral economics has revealed that this is fundamentally untrue
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:19 pm to ShortyRob
That's cool. No point in discussing further because we have some fundamental disagreements and that's fine. 
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:20 pm to ShortyRob
In any case guys this has been great. But it's the night before Thanksgiving and I have prep to do. My other hobby is cooking. Hope everybody has a great Thanksgiving
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:20 pm to Golfer
quote:
Baton Rouge?
U-verse
Cox
Eatel
DirectTV
Dish
DirectTV is ATT.
Two of the three that actually qualify for definition high-speed are not widely available in Baton Rouge(Eatel and ATT high speed internet). For a not insignificant chunk of the population in Baton Rouge, Cox is the only game in town for high speed broadband.
But Baton Rouge should also speak to how having a couple more competitors is not the panacea some think it is in terms of driving competition and negating the need for consumer protections in this market space. ATT and Cox both have engaged in the hidden fees, and the increasingly restrictive data cap game that is meant to push people into their restrictive TV packages to avoid cord cutting marketshare loss. The AT&T CEO famously went on record bragging about how they are going to extort Google on principle and to return more investment for shareholders.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:20 pm to ShortyRob
quote:quote:
You claimed that 50 dollars is 50 dollars is 50 dollars. Behavioral economics has revealed that this is fundamentally untrue
oh this should be glorious. Explain to me why if I pay $50 and there is a hidden fee included in the $50 that this is different than if I just agreed to pay $50 in the first place. Either I'm okay with paying $50 I'm not. You clearly don't understand the complex concept you are trying to invoke
Ok, I still think you are missing the point
you have your contract with comcast for 50/ month
They bill you for your contracted 50/month for the internet package plus fees and your bill is 65. You call and dispute that your contract is 50/month and they will reply, yes it is, but there are also fees associated with that. If you read the OP again:
quote:
For example, rules requiring disclosure of hidden fees and data caps will be overturned.
They do not have to disclose to you when you sign your contract that these fees exist nor necessarily what the fees are for or if they are subject to change. So when you said you'd ask for the bottom line they can say your contracted rate is $50
But you're still stuck with that contract you have signed and if you try to break that contract you will have to pay a penalty.
this is why people are so up in arms about this.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:27 pm to ctalati32
quote:quote:
Ok, I still think you are missing the point
you have your contract with comcast for 50/ month
They bill you for your contracted 50/month for the internet package plus fees and your bill is 65. You call and dispute that your contract is 50/month and they will reply, yes it is, but there are also fees associated with that. If you read the OP again:
TBH, he probably doesn't pay his parent's cable bill, and he hasn't gotten to the chapter on Information Asymmetries in markets yet. That tends to be more toward the end of Survey of Economics classes.... Though sometimes they just don't have the time to get that far into it.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:32 pm to bonhoeffer45
I doubt there is an address in Baton Rouge that ATT will not bring fiber too if you will pay for it.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:10 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Anyone who's ever bought tires a car cell phone package
Wut
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:12 pm to I B Freeman
quote:
doubt there is an address in Baton Rouge that ATT will not bring fiber too if you will pay for it.
There's plenty in NOLA
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:14 pm to Green Chili Tiger
quote:
How would you feel if your gas company decided to only supply gas to a particular brand of appliances? Or your electric utility only worked with certain light bulbs?
Even if they could, why would they choose to limit their revenue and piss off their customers? Even though they hypothetically could, tell me why that would be a desirable long term pricing structure that a business would want to embrace.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:16 pm to I B Freeman
quote:
I doubt there is an address in Baton Rouge that ATT will not bring fiber too if you will pay for it.
Having other people pay for their infrastructure is obviously their first preference.
Not sure your average blue collar 9-5'er has the capital to afford that though.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:27 pm to skrayper
quote:
FCC Chairman states that state and local laws would be preempted
Uh huh.
This is exactly what I was talking about in my thread yesterday.
Net Neutrality needs to be left alone.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:33 pm to Golfer
Honestly, 1 week of online video gaming from the average teenager would toast any data cap. Games use MASSIVE amounts of data. Especially modern games.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:35 pm to Golfer
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So moving to a pay by use format that's just like every other utility is bad?
And another idiot who is clueless as to what this is even about.
By the way your friends at the ISP will argue to the death they are not a utility, that is what this is all about.
The question should be framed as why should you pay more to power your microwave over lets say your hair dryer, it has absolutely shite zero to do with pay to use.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:59 pm to I B Freeman
quote:
I doubt there is an address in Baton Rouge that ATT will not bring fiber too if you will pay for it.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:17 pm to Golfer
I'm in a new subdivision in a mostly rural area.
I still have 2 ISPs available. More likely to come soon.
You can get internet through satellite, cable, or phone. This isn't like electric service. I don't have 3 different voltages I can choose from. I have one.
I still have 2 ISPs available. More likely to come soon.
You can get internet through satellite, cable, or phone. This isn't like electric service. I don't have 3 different voltages I can choose from. I have one.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:42 pm to skrayper
Soros isn't going to like you messing with his Sanctuary Cities.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:51 pm to cokebottleag
quote:
You can get internet through satellite, cable, or phone. This isn't like electric service. I don't have 3 different voltages I can choose from. I have one.
You are talking about options that are not feasible with the requirements of today’s technology.
Satellite internet is fricking terrible
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:55 pm to cokebottleag
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