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Employees asking to be laid off
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:48 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:48 am
Hasn’t happened to me yet, but one of our biggest customers has had 3 employees ask to be laid off because they would make more money. He won’t do it because he needs them to work.
This perverse incentive has three paths when people want to do this:
1. Lay employee off. Saves you money, but crippled you if you are fortunate enough to have the business that needs that work. Only winner is the employee.
2. Keep them there, but then they go “Union Gangster” on you and still don’t do the work. Now you are paying them for crappy or non-existent output. Again, employee wins.
3. They quit, and get no bennies. No winners. This won’t happen.
Yet Bernie Sanders casts this as mean business owners who resent an employee who has made less than the benefit amount for a long time now having a chance to finally put more in his pocket. Never fricking mind how it precipitates less productivity and more costs for everybody, much less the perversion of the incentive itself.
This is just bad, and anybody with a lick of business sense could see it coming from a mile away.
This perverse incentive has three paths when people want to do this:
1. Lay employee off. Saves you money, but crippled you if you are fortunate enough to have the business that needs that work. Only winner is the employee.
2. Keep them there, but then they go “Union Gangster” on you and still don’t do the work. Now you are paying them for crappy or non-existent output. Again, employee wins.
3. They quit, and get no bennies. No winners. This won’t happen.
Yet Bernie Sanders casts this as mean business owners who resent an employee who has made less than the benefit amount for a long time now having a chance to finally put more in his pocket. Never fricking mind how it precipitates less productivity and more costs for everybody, much less the perversion of the incentive itself.
This is just bad, and anybody with a lick of business sense could see it coming from a mile away.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:51 am to Ag Zwin
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1. Lay employee off. Saves you money, but crippled you if you are fortunate enough to have the business that needs that work. Only winner is the employee.
I agree, but there are some instances where workload can become absorbed by other employees and the delta in increased wages for additional work compared to cutting a full salary can be marginally beneficial for the bottom line. The real crux of this scenario is saturation and bandwith. Less employees results in more risk management due to sick leave, VTO, PTO, etc.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 9:59 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:52 am to Ag Zwin
Aren’t the private business loans dependent on you not firing your employees??
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:52 am to Ag Zwin
Ths was epidemic yesterday once news broke of UI expansion and possible stimulus.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:52 am to BobLeeDagger
Fire them for cause and find somebody who is hungry.
This aint the world it was 3 weeks ago. There are some desperate people out there who are jobless and want to make sure their kids are fed.
This aint the world it was 3 weeks ago. There are some desperate people out there who are jobless and want to make sure their kids are fed.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 9:54 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:52 am to Ag Zwin
With my previous company you could immediately terminate someone for asking for a lay off when on reduction of force was warranted.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:54 am to Ag Zwin
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Saves you money
It depends on how many people are drawing unemployment insurance from your company. It will increase your expenses.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:54 am to Ag Zwin
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Employees asking to be laid off
Yeah... NO. Just no. If they ask to be laid off, make darn sure they work just enough so that they can't quit for lack of hours.
Absolutely ridiculous.
As an aside... I wonder what State Unemployment rates are going to look like next year? Through the roof, most likely.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:55 am to Ag Zwin
Our company has presented some options that may be enacted soon including changing salary employees to hourly, cutting back their hours, and suspending benefits. At that point, asking to be laid off with the ability to get Cobra is probably a better option.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:55 am to Ag Zwin
Lay them off. A voluntary layoff is not eligible for unemployment.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:55 am to Ag Zwin
We lay people off when there is no longer available. We don’t lay off people who quit or get fired.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:55 am to Ag Zwin
1.5 Fire the lazy arse and replace him with a better employee who actually WANTS to work and who should be easy to find given rising unemployment. Same cost to employer and greater long-term efficiency.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:57 am to AggieHank86
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1.5 Fire the lazy arse and replace him with a better employee who actually WANTS to work and who should be easy to find given rising unemployment. Same cost to employer and greater long-term efficiency.
And what about the provision mentioned above where some legislation being proposed has requirements to NOT fire people to avail yourself of the program?
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:01 am to Ag Zwin
They will not make more they will make the same up to the max from state + a max of $600 from fed
IE, LA pays up to $247/wk + $600 fed you get $847/wk (equivelent to $44044/yr)
if you make $15/hr you only get $600/wk total ($247 state + $353 fed)
you will not get $847 if you don't already make that much
EDIT: also, you have to be actively looking for work to receive unemployment benefits, you there are jobs hiring and you dont take, you lose benefits
If you don't work to get force a layoff, if documented correctly you can fire, then you dont qualify for benefits
only RIF (reduction in force) gaurantees unemploymnet
IE, LA pays up to $247/wk + $600 fed you get $847/wk (equivelent to $44044/yr)
if you make $15/hr you only get $600/wk total ($247 state + $353 fed)
you will not get $847 if you don't already make that much
EDIT: also, you have to be actively looking for work to receive unemployment benefits, you there are jobs hiring and you dont take, you lose benefits
If you don't work to get force a layoff, if documented correctly you can fire, then you dont qualify for benefits
only RIF (reduction in force) gaurantees unemploymnet
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 10:05 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:02 am to Ag Zwin
Just fire them. There are lots of folks looking for work these days.
ETA: Well, upon reading comments, I see once again that I have nothing new to offer in this thread.
ETA: Well, upon reading comments, I see once again that I have nothing new to offer in this thread.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 10:06 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:03 am to BobLeeDagger
There's a fourth option too...
For people like myself.
4) Show up and do your job like you always have... = no problem.
I'd be getting a $2/hr raise by getting laid off, but I'd rather be working. And my facility is already shorthanded anyway and is absolutely an essential provider to the medical community.
My boss remembers shite anyway. He wouldn't fire me or lay me off if I decided to just refuse to work, because he'd know the reason. He'd wait until the big unemployment pay expired and then fire me with no severance. Our HR department is cutthroat and they'd finally a way to pull it off.
For people like myself.
4) Show up and do your job like you always have... = no problem.
I'd be getting a $2/hr raise by getting laid off, but I'd rather be working. And my facility is already shorthanded anyway and is absolutely an essential provider to the medical community.
My boss remembers shite anyway. He wouldn't fire me or lay me off if I decided to just refuse to work, because he'd know the reason. He'd wait until the big unemployment pay expired and then fire me with no severance. Our HR department is cutthroat and they'd finally a way to pull it off.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:04 am to Animal
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Just fire them. There are lots of folks looking for work these days.
Sounds good. Reality is that this is not always true, particularly with highly specialized skills.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:05 am to Number 9 Fan
I quoted wrong person
Not right now anyone out can apply and receive from what I heard from Asa, so if out of work no matter what they get
Not right now anyone out can apply and receive from what I heard from Asa, so if out of work no matter what they get
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 10:08 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:05 am to TigerAxeOK
Agreed. My post was more of a justification for employers to combat their employees asking to be laid off. What's dumb is that these employees are sacrificing long term security for short term gains. No guarantees that their next position will pay at the same government or previous employment salary when society returns to "normal".
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 10:12 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:06 am to Ag Zwin
Have they changed the unemployment bennies from you can only get the unemployment money if you were fired?
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