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re: Election stolen in France.

Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:40 pm to
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:40 pm to
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Major issue there is that Tory cared only about London and Reformed split their vote

And the Tories governed like a sack of shite bunch of turncoats.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:41 pm to
As to be expected, for various reasons. The French have a long-time relationship with Palestintian leadership. Like since the 60s or 70s.

I think Arafat primarily lived in Paris
Posted by oldhickory1812
nashville
Member since Nov 2020
457 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:41 pm to
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They got 33% the first round and about the same this time

That was the majority in the first round, it sould had been enough to form a government in France. But of of course they have the second round mulligan, wich is bullshite.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476570 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:43 pm to
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That was the majority in the first round,


I will post this again:

quote:

Are you confused what "majority" means?

Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37265 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:44 pm to
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that one shot elections are the best ones.

And your only support for that is that you don’t like who won this particular election
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37265 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:45 pm to
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That was the majority in the first round

No. The RN did not win a majority of first round votes.

The RN was ahead in the majority of elections after the first round, which is as meaningless of a statistic as the national popular vote in POTUS elections.

If France had one round elections, the “first” round would have looked exactly like the second round did. Need evidence? Look at the RN’s performance in the last two presidential and parliamentary elections prior to this.

A full 2/3rds of the French electorate does not want the RN running the country.
This post was edited on 7/7/24 at 8:47 pm
Posted by oldhickory1812
nashville
Member since Nov 2020
457 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:46 pm to
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Are you confused what "majority" means?


Explain it to me.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476570 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:51 pm to
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Explain it to me.

50% +1
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:52 pm to
SFP and Indefatigable would rather not explain why it went the way it did.


This explains it pretty well;

quote:

It was undone to a large extent by tactical dealmaking between centrist and leftist opponents, who pulled more than 200 candidates from three-way races to avoid splitting the anti-RN vote.


Think Clinton winning because of Perot. Take Perot out Bush wins.

*Just using as an example. I don't give a frick if you believe that or not.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:52 pm to
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37265 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:54 pm to
quote:

SFP and Indefatigable would rather not explain why it went the way it did. This explains it pretty well; quote:It was undone to a large extent by tactical dealmaking between centrist and leftist opponents, who pulled more than 200 candidates from three-way races to avoid splitting the anti-RN vote. Think Clinton winning because of Perot. Take Perot out Bush wins.

I already said all of that, I.e. coalitions and pulling candidates/tactical voting.


It’s not rocket science. It happens every national election for the RN. They get clobbered in the second round—every time—because none of the other parties support them.
This post was edited on 7/7/24 at 8:56 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476570 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:56 pm to
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SFP and Indefatigable would rather not explain why it went the way it did.

I did. Nobody would coalition with Le Pen.

If you have no allies in a Parliamentary system, you have to get a majority or you get nothing.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476570 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:57 pm to
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They get clobbered in the second round—every time—because none of the other parties support them.

Exactly.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:58 pm to
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I did. Nobody would coalition with Le Pen.

If you have no allies in a Parliamentary system, you have to get a majority or you get nothing.




That doesn't explain shite to the hicks here that know nothing of elections outside the US.

My simple quote and comparison makes it simple for them to understand.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
37758 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:59 pm to
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The guy simply pays attention to French election because he’s concerned about what is coming to America…the “canary in a coal mine” theory.



Posted by oldhickory1812
nashville
Member since Nov 2020
457 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:59 pm to
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50% +1


OK I get it, but what would you say if getting 50% +1 was impossible in a one shot election? should that mean, that the slow part of the population gets a chance to change everything in a second round?

I don't think that's good for France.
Posted by Tenn grad LSU fan
Woulhuntdn't you like to know spazz
Member since Apr 2023
1143 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 9:00 pm to
You are a dip shite when you win land slide first round then you fi ish 3rd and 2nd set your dumbass thinks yeah that's Nirmal what the he'll is wrong with you you are mentally ill
Posted by Nikki_T
Restoring a Datsun 280Z
Member since Feb 2021
756 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 9:00 pm to
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I think Arafat primarily lived in Paris


Fact


Posted by Tenn grad LSU fan
Woulhuntdn't you like to know spazz
Member since Apr 2023
1143 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 9:01 pm to
Lol yeah Ryan day is a queer
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37506 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 9:01 pm to
But each time conservatives particularly in the US get all hot and bothered when they get a good showing in the 1st round.

The crazy thing here, is that other than LePen's stance on immigration, she like her father are basically center left from an American perspective
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