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Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
well you asked if we all agreed that NN freezes the markets 
whore local governments freeze the markets
whore local governments freeze the markets
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well then I, and probably most NN supporters, agree with you.
I actually think the Texas move to "deregulate" power utilities would be a reasonable jumping off point at the local level, but that would require some price and access regulations for the first few years.
Big cable and local government fought the previous FCC on these issues. Pai didn't agree
I actually think the Texas move to "deregulate" power utilities would be a reasonable jumping off point at the local level, but that would require some price and access regulations for the first few years.
Big cable and local government fought the previous FCC on these issues. Pai didn't agree
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Republican FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai said that "rather than wasting its time on illegal efforts to intrude on the prerogatives of state governments, the FCC should focus on implementing a broadband deployment agenda to eliminate regulatory barriers that discourage those in the private sector from deploying and upgrading next-generation networks."
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:47 pm to CptBengal
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this doesnt comport with what reddit told straightcuckhomey and slackcuck.
and omlandcuck. Dude has been melting so hard over this
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:50 pm to Iosh
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They get paid to do so, usually by the incumbent ISP.
Right, it’s called regulatory capture Or course the incumbent industry will eventually dominate the regulatory boards and fight to keep out competition. It happens in pretty much any and every industry. For example many states have laws the brewers can’t sell directly to bars/restaurants and stores but must sell to a distributor. Who do you think that benefits consumers or ginormous multinational beer companies? Who fights food trucks? Consumers or established restaurants?
It’s a problem of government. The individual pols get campaign contributions and the local government gets excess taxes and fees so no they didn’t just wake up and decide to hate broadband they are in bed with the existing companies and the solution is not even more government regulations.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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“[I]t’s clear that investment flows into areas that are less affected by regulation than areas that are dominated by it,”
You could say this about any type of business. More government is never the answer.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:55 pm to H-Town Tiger
How do you fix the problem of regulation on the local level without imposing federal regulations in this case?
Obama's FCC proposed to block state laws in 2015 that would have prevented states from creating regulations blocking local and municipal broadband. Pai voted against it too.
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Obama's FCC proposed to block state laws in 2015 that would have prevented states from creating regulations blocking local and municipal broadband. Pai voted against it too.
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“You can’t say you’re for broadband and then turn around and endorse limits on who can offer it,” Wheeler said today. “You can’t say, ‘I want to follow the explicit instructions of Congress to remove barriers to infrastructure investment,' but endorse barriers on infrastructure investment. You can’t say you’re for competition but deny local elected officials the right to offer competitive choices."
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:55 pm to Aristo
Almost every industry has basic consumer protection regulations. We don't argue that those protections are stifling innovation in those areas.
Why do we try to argue that here?
Why do we try to argue that here?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:58 pm to H-Town Tiger
That is why people like me say we should have public financing of campaigns.But when we do, we are called commies.
Actually it should be the biggest movement of the right, public financing.
You are not going to solve many or even most of the problems we have now in Washington without getting the money out of it and the only way to do that (well, the biggest way to do that) is by the public financing of campaigns.
Actually it should be the biggest movement of the right, public financing.
You are not going to solve many or even most of the problems we have now in Washington without getting the money out of it and the only way to do that (well, the biggest way to do that) is by the public financing of campaigns.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:05 pm to Salmon
Are those industries investing in the tools of their trade only to have them owned by the government?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:07 pm to Aristo
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Are those industries investing in the tools of their trade only to have them owned by the government?
Investing taxpayer $$ you mean?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:07 pm to Salmon
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Almost every industry has basic consumer protection regulations. We don't argue that those protections are stifling innovation in those areas.
And when Bell was the elephant in the room they wouldn't develop cellular service. Other countries started before us. They broke up in '84, and cell service took off soon after
Unless you allow others to access the infrastructure, then the company sitting on it will refuse to innovate
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:08 pm to Aristo
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Are those industries investing in the tools of their trade only to have them owned by the government?
well when your investments are heavily subsidized by the government and on public ROWs, shouldn't the government, and the most importantly, the taxpayers, have some say?
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:09 pm to RobbBobb
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Unless you allow others to access the infrastructure, then the company sitting on it will refuse to innovate
Ok. Again. This has nothing to do with NN.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:11 pm to Eurocat
i don’t think public financing will solve anything for starters like CFR it will overwhelmingly benefit incumbents.
You will never get the money out of politics as long as government gives so much of it away, picks winners and losers with laws, regulations the tax code etc. The best way to mitigate it would be to have less of it. I’m not sure how we get there by adding new regulations on top of old ones.
You will never get the money out of politics as long as government gives so much of it away, picks winners and losers with laws, regulations the tax code etc. The best way to mitigate it would be to have less of it. I’m not sure how we get there by adding new regulations on top of old ones.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:12 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I’m not sure how we get there by adding new regulations on top of old ones.
We were not adding new ones. We were simply making the ones we always had enforceable.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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know your enemy (government)
And with half the effort you spend railing on it you could figure out how to make it work for you, oh well.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:14 pm to H-Town Tiger
this is all stupid and moot.
the new hotness is wireless and google for one has already thrown up their hands and given up on fiber and is instead investing all their money on ultra-speed wireless.
so ya'll are beating a dead horse because comcast & att fiber-vans are already dinosaurs; the wireless companies are the future and you already can choose from about a dozen now so capitalism wins.
quite belly-aching about NN. we're all going to have a better experience with pure capitalism driving the future.
the new hotness is wireless and google for one has already thrown up their hands and given up on fiber and is instead investing all their money on ultra-speed wireless.
so ya'll are beating a dead horse because comcast & att fiber-vans are already dinosaurs; the wireless companies are the future and you already can choose from about a dozen now so capitalism wins.
quite belly-aching about NN. we're all going to have a better experience with pure capitalism driving the future.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:14 pm to RobbBobb
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And when Bell was the elephant in the room they wouldn't develop cellular service
I’ve heard the government/ FCC was also an issue here they wouldn’t open or had reserved the airwaves or something along those lines
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:14 pm to Lakeboy7
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you could figure out how to make it work for you,
we need MOAR government
MOAR MOAR!
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