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re: Don’t Blame Big Cable. It’s Local Governments That Choke Broadband Competition
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:59 pm to SoulGlo
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:59 pm to SoulGlo
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… in 2015.
...and in 2017
my point is that the government has their hands all over your internet with or without NN
we have had NN guidelines for over a decade, all the 2015 law did was make them enforceable
nobody cared about NN before, not sure why they care so much now
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 3:01 pm to CAD703X
quote:Yeah, he's really impacted lobbying.
that why we elected trump you shill
Posted on 12/15/17 at 3:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's clear that the answer to this problem is more government, SFP.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:15 pm to Salmon
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nobody cared about NN before, not sure why they care so much now
Because a federal agency up and deemed themselves to have the power to regulate something.
frick that shite.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
This is the issue that's been brought up
Telecoms have paid off the fedgov with huge amounts of money, and stifled local govs with huge amounts of money.
So the answer is give the keys to telecoms, I guess?
There's no good way, and blaming one branch while being like, "yay capitalism" for the other won't work
Telecoms have paid off the fedgov with huge amounts of money, and stifled local govs with huge amounts of money.
So the answer is give the keys to telecoms, I guess?
There's no good way, and blaming one branch while being like, "yay capitalism" for the other won't work
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:33 pm to Yak
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There's no good way, and blaming one branch while being like, "yay capitalism" for the other won't work
the "free" in "free trade" implies a lack of government
that applies at the local, state, federal, and international levels
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:35 pm to Tigerdev
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SFP comin through with a cherry picked article supporting the anti-gov religion!
it's not cherry-picked. it was shared by one of the (liberal) tech blogs i follow on FB and i linked here
hell, wired isn't even a conservative outlet. it's pretty fricking liberal
what, exactly, do you disagree with in the article?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:39 pm to Tigerdev
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The spirit of which is to protect people from tyranny. Where does lobbyists paying politicians millions of dollars to get their way fit into that equation exactly?
it's called the expansion of government into a form the FF protected against (but courts eventually ignored after threats by progressives)
if government lacks the power, lobbyists won't be spending that money because there is no ultimate benefit for that investment
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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some people believe the answer to an issue created by government is more government. in what fricking world does that make sense?
and no, this isn't comparable to things like fedgov outlawing Jim Crow. that was government removing layers of government (Jim Crow was a government mandate, after all). fedgov overriding Jim Crow is an example of how removing governmental control helps society
and some people believe the solution is better government. the constitution.. clean air act.. clean water act.. examples of how good government helps society.
the issue here is crony capitalism made possible by local municipalities. municipality brings ISP in by offering attractive deal.. ISP then lobbies and bribes their way into getting legislation passed that will protect their investment.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:34 pm to Yak
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Telecoms have paid off the fedgov with huge amounts of money, and stifled local govs with huge amounts of money. So the answer is give the keys to telecoms, I guess?
What are they paying for? Favors that benefit them right? So the answer isn’t “giving the keys to the telecoms but to free the market and allow competition to come in so people have options.
How does TMobile giving away audio streaming hurt consumers? Or MetroPCS not counting YouTube streaming against your data? If you want to watch other services either it counts against your data or you can use another carrier.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the "free" in "free trade" implies a lack of government
that applies at the local, state, federal, and international levels
It still baffles me how so many people shite on the free market for failing, when there is no free market for that good/service/industry.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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innovation in broadband infrastructure overall.
Can we stop with the make-believe that this doesn't already occur?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:15 pm to 25 Point Lead
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It's beneficial for big cable and they pay to help keep it that way
But it would be a much more practical fight for the FCC to take on
Why, so the FCC can be lobbied and they can pick the winners and losers?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
This is what I have been trying to tell the "net neutrality" people here for years.
Net Nutrality people want government regulation of free speech and wanted the government to treat the internet as a utility. A stupid goal favored only by those who would profit by such activity.
Too bad more energy and effort has not been directed at the local governments so that more competition would be in place.
Net Nutrality people want government regulation of free speech and wanted the government to treat the internet as a utility. A stupid goal favored only by those who would profit by such activity.
Too bad more energy and effort has not been directed at the local governments so that more competition would be in place.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This post was edited on 3/6/21 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 12/16/17 at 1:02 am to Aristo
This is simple minded nonsense.. the constitution is a fricking regulatory document. It works pretty fricking good. Using an example from work..
Bad regulation: "Here's a 200 page document detailing the specific steps and reporting requirements you swear to abide by to prevent the discharge of pollutants into a stream used for potable water."
Better/good regulation: "Unless reasonable/prudent measures were taken where practicable it is illegal/unlawful for any person to discharge pollutants into a stream used for potable water."
Regulating ISPs under Title II could be an unnecessary burden and is probably not the best way to serve consumer interests or to foster competition. Simple regulation requiring all 'internet traffic' to be treated equally would be far more effective especially when ISPs are given an out for something like 'proposed services/packages involving zero-rating/paid prioritization/fast lanes/etc can be authorized by the FTC if the proposed service is not anti-competition and after a 30-day public comment period'
Bad regulation: "Here's a 200 page document detailing the specific steps and reporting requirements you swear to abide by to prevent the discharge of pollutants into a stream used for potable water."
Better/good regulation: "Unless reasonable/prudent measures were taken where practicable it is illegal/unlawful for any person to discharge pollutants into a stream used for potable water."
Regulating ISPs under Title II could be an unnecessary burden and is probably not the best way to serve consumer interests or to foster competition. Simple regulation requiring all 'internet traffic' to be treated equally would be far more effective especially when ISPs are given an out for something like 'proposed services/packages involving zero-rating/paid prioritization/fast lanes/etc can be authorized by the FTC if the proposed service is not anti-competition and after a 30-day public comment period'
This post was edited on 12/16/17 at 1:04 am
Posted on 12/16/17 at 5:42 am to lsutigermall
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Thank you mr Comcast.
that's from Wired magazine, who isn't exactly Ronald Reagan
also, Comcast works its magic...at the local level. so how am i indirectly supporting Comcast for criticizing them for their most crucial negative behavior related to the free flow of broadband?
Posted on 12/17/17 at 12:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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also, Comcast works its magic...at the local level. so how am i indirectly supporting Comcast for criticizing them for their most crucial negative behavior related to the free flow of broadband?
net neutrality principles are easily compatible with free market competition fostered by deregulation at the local level. also compatible with tiered internet access and other package deals
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 12:14 am
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:03 am to SlowFlowPro
Jindal floated legislation to provide for a statewide franchise a few years ago.
At the behest of local officials, the Legislature killed it in the crib.
When i told my Legislator that he was knifing the consumers in Louisiana in the back, he nicely told me to F-off.
At the behest of local officials, the Legislature killed it in the crib.
When i told my Legislator that he was knifing the consumers in Louisiana in the back, he nicely told me to F-off.
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