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Don’t Blame Big Cable. It’s Local Governments That Choke Broadband Competition
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:15 pm
Wired
know your enemy (government)
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Deploying broadband infrastructure isn’t as simple as merely laying wires underground: that’s the easy part. The hard part — and the reason it often doesn’t happen — is the pre-deployment barriers, which local governments and public utilities make unnecessarily expensive and difficult.
Before building out new networks, Internet Service Providers (ISPs) must negotiate with local governments for access to publicly owned “rights of way” so they can place their wires above and below both public and private property. ISPs also need “pole attachment” contracts with public utilities so they can rent space on utility poles for above-ground wires, or in ducts and conduits for wires laid underground.
The problem? Local governments and their public utilities charge ISPs far more than these things actually cost. For example, rights of way and pole attachments fees can double the cost of network construction.
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It also helped that these local governments had less leverage because the states of Kansas, Missouri, and Texas had streamlined video franchising laws so a provider need only get one license for the entire state. “[I]t’s clear that investment flows into areas that are less affected by regulation than areas that are dominated by it,” observed Milo Medin, Google’s Vice President of Access Services, in summarizing the lessons of Google’s Kansas City experience in Congressional testimony.
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Furthermore, by granting open access to their rights-of-way, local governments can drive competition and innovation in broadband infrastructure overall. After Google announced their plans for Austin, AT&T promised to follow suit — but only if they got “the same terms and conditions as Google on issues such as geographic scope of offerings, rights of way, permitting, state licenses and any investment incentives.”
Some called that hypocritical, but the fact remains that we, they, and other broadband providers do need tech-neutral deregulation. Because broadband providers have repeatedly tried to deploy network infrastructure, but gave up when cities and states demanded excessive rights-of-way fees or slowed the approval process to a crawl. Even when ISPs succeeded in building new networks, they were often delayed by lengthy lawsuits.
know your enemy (government)
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
Can I blame both? Big Cable has it locked down at every level
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:16 pm to 25 Point Lead
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Big Cable has it locked down at every level
only because government has created that paradigm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
Jake with the troof, as usual.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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only because government has created that paradigm
So I can blame both then?
That's what I'll do
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Big Cable has it locked down at every level
only because government has created that paradigm
this doesnt comport with what reddit told straightcuckhomey and slackcuck.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
This is WAY over most of those goober's heads.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:19 pm to CptBengal
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this doesnt comport with what reddit told straightcuckhomey and slackcuck.
It's been a pretty widely discussed issue on Reddit.
I'd imagine that wired and Reddits viewers overlap a good bit
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:21 pm to 25 Point Lead
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So I can blame both then?
why would you blame cable when it's impossible for many companies to even compete?
if the local/state authorities won't allow you access, then you can't build a network even if you want to spend $1T to do so
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think most admit that local governments create this problem
I don't blame Comcast for doing what they do
I hate them for it, but they are just acting like they should act
I don't blame Comcast for doing what they do
I hate them for it, but they are just acting like they should act
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why would you blame cable when it's impossible for many companies to even compete?
if the local/state authorities won't allow you access, then you can't build a network even if you want to spend $1T to do so
Did you actually read the article?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:24 pm to 25 Point Lead
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Did you actually read the article?
yes
localities control right of ways and access to public utility infrastructure (like poles). they can deny access to these things
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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localities control right of ways and access to public utility infrastructure (like poles). they can deny access to these things
FWIW, they deny access because they are mostly in the pockets of Big Cable now
hell Big Cable stops governments from even creating their own ISPs
but I do blame the government for being whores in all of this
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:25 pm to Salmon
oh yeah i have made this argument a lot over the past few years. the issue is government. some people believe the answer to an issue created by government is more government. in what fricking world does that make sense?
and no, this isn't comparable to things like fedgov outlawing Jim Crow. that was government removing layers of government (Jim Crow was a government mandate, after all). fedgov overriding Jim Crow is an example of how removing governmental control helps society
and no, this isn't comparable to things like fedgov outlawing Jim Crow. that was government removing layers of government (Jim Crow was a government mandate, after all). fedgov overriding Jim Crow is an example of how removing governmental control helps society
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:26 pm to Salmon
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hell Big Cable stops governments from even creating their own ISPs
actually a good thing. locally-run ISPs have a terrible track record. money pits
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Never was there ever a falser dilemma. State and local governments didn't just wake up one day and decide to hate broadband deployment out of the evilness of their hearts. They get paid to do so, usually by the incumbent ISP.
Don’t Blame Big Cable. It’s Local Governments
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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actually a good thing. locally-run ISPs have a terrible track record. money pits
I know
it is just an example of governments being controlled by Big Cable
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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localities control right of ways and access to public utility infrastructure (like poles). they can deny access to these things
Right, it's something that has been pretty widely discussed with this whole issue, especially in regards to Google fiber. It's the main reason why the FCCs "small business ISP" argument is so idiotic.
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It’s a vicious circle. And it’s essentially a system of forced kickbacks. Other kickbacks arguably include municipal requirements for ISPs such as building out service where it isn’t demanded, donating equipment, and deliveringfree broadband to government buildings.
It's beneficial for big cable and they pay to help keep it that way
But it would be a much more practical fight for the FCC to take on
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:27 pm to 25 Point Lead
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So I can blame cable companies then?
That's what I'll do
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