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re: Don’t Blame Big Cable. It’s Local Governments That Choke Broadband Competition
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:27 pm to Iosh
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:27 pm to Iosh
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They get paid to do so, usually by the incumbent ISP.
and we're back to the money in government that is driven by the power of the state argument.
I'm glad you neo-filth are seeing the light.
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Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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know your enemy (government)
i've been saying this since the NN meltdown and get nothing but downvotes
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:29 pm to Iosh
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Never was there ever a falser dilemma. State and local governments didn't just wake up one day and decide to hate broadband deployment out of the evilness of their hearts. They get paid to do so, usually by the incumbent ISP.
uh, that's still an argument for blaming local governments
we all agree that NN effectively freezes the market, right?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It’s Local Governments That Choke Broadband
This is true
Local govts are being paid to block out other options with a franchise fee, that is then billed to you, to pay your city council, for not giving you other options
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:30 pm to RobbBobb
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The game of kickbacks benefits only incumbent providers and local politicians. The game of networks benefits us all — because the battle for customers will drive prices down, improve service, and force everyone to keep innovating.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yes, that's why I called it a false dilemma. I'm objecting to the "Don't Blame Big Cable" part. Blame both.
uh, that's still an argument for blaming local governments
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we all agree that NN effectively freezes the market, right?
What do you mean by "freezes the market"?
I 100% agree that net neutrality regulations aren't needed with increased competition. Blaming local governments has always been a huge part of this discussion. Those who actually know anything about ISPs and this issue are knowledgeable on these issues, especially when it comes to Google Fiber
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we all agree that NN effectively freezes the market, right?
I haven't really seen a good answer to this yet
I don't know how NN would inhibit wireless or other future tech from entering the market
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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some people believe the answer to an issue created by government is more government. in what fricking world does that make sense?
I understand this from a policy/ideal standpoint.
At the same time, I have yet to see a realistic solution for how we resolve the state/local government issue. Ideally most voters would stop being dumbasses, but again that is (a) unlikely and (b) aspirational rather than actionable.
New antitrust enforcement? New FCC regulations? Isn’t that all still more government?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:36 pm to Iosh
they're just playing the game whose rules were created by the governments, though. somebody has to play
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:37 pm to Salmon
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I don't know how NN would inhibit wireless or other future tech from entering the market
even wireless requires nodes that will require access to infrastructure
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:37 pm to 25 Point Lead
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What do you mean by "freezes the market"?
basically free the participants and very few new entrants will emerge
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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even wireless requires nodes that will require access to infrastructure
That wasn't his question though
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
And telecom cash certainly had NO HAND in creating those rules? Most people on this board probably have enough money to buy off local politicians, they come really cheap.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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even wireless requires nodes that will require access to infrastructure
but what does this have to do with NN?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:39 pm to Salmon
you run into the same problem with wired internet access
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What do you mean by "freezes the market"?
basically free the participants and very few new entrants will emerge
The market is frozen with or without net neutrality due to this competition issue you've addressed
I 100% agree that this is the place where the fight should be taken place. Unfortunately, it's not going to be fixed anytime soon making NN rules a necessity imo.
I don't see how eliminating NN addresses any issues from that article.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you run into the same problem with wired internet access
So then NN doesn't inhibit it. The same issue still exists with cheaper costs though due to needed less access
Basically, you run into the same problems with or without net neutrality.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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only because government has created that paradigm
Right. Businesses, like people, respond and adapt to the conditions and incentives.
Government is the only involved party that doesn’t have to respond to incentives, because they’re the only party that can use force to collect money.
I think the market will provide a better answer than net neutrality and that repealing the rules was a way to making that happen.
BUT I still wonder why Trump picked this unpopular fight right now.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you run into the same problem with wired internet access
but we have these problems with or without NN, no?
my local government isn't all of a sudden going to start letting others come in now that NN was repealed
I'm still going to be stuck with Comcast and ATT.
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