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re: Does Ted Cruz believe any criticism of Israel is antisemitism?

Posted on 11/22/25 at 3:06 pm to
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 3:06 pm to
Couldn’t agree more and I constantly remind my peers of this fact. Without us, the entire world would be a dumpster planet ruled by a tiny elite.
Posted by JoeHackett
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 3:07 pm to
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Well, I am more than happy to oblige in helping you humiliate yourself!



You just sort of dance around points.

A lack of personal responsibility leads to an oppressor/oppressed political ideology.

That ideology has nothing to do with how people view a foreign country.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 3:08 pm to
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Which has nothing to do with what I mentioned about personal responsibility.


Well how about the state of Israel take some personal fricking responsibility?

Are you aware of how fricking stupid this argument is?
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 3:09 pm to
Not only that but the danger of having the world turned against you the way it has been over the past 40-50 years. White people are 6-7% of the population and propaganda is telling everyone to hate them. The balance of non violence is being eroded and the consequences would be catastrophic.
Posted by SeeeeK
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 3:15 pm to
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Liberty happened 60 years ago. It was ruled to be friendly fire.



Posted by JoeHackett
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 3:26 pm to
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And yet, he was violently assassinated because he was a white, Christian male. They literally hate us, and we’re rapidly becoming a minority in a country that OUR ancestors established.
It’s not victimhood to notice that there are more black on white crime, television propaganda and discrimination in hidings/college admissions against our European descended brethren, than the other way around.
It’s reality. Accept it.


He was right about personal responsibility though and the dangers of going through life viewing yourself as a victim.

Pointing out problems is great. Believing that you aren't going to be allowed to fix them is terrible.

You want to stop crime, you can elect politicians to stop crime.
You want to stop illegal immigration, you can elect pols to stop it.
You want to fix college admissions, you can elect pols to fix it.

Victimhood ideology says that you have no agency, no way to fix your problems... something I think most of you believe. That ideology has never worked, never created anything of worth and will only lead to pain.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 3:27 pm to
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Couldn’t agree more and I constantly remind my peers of this fact. Without us, the entire world would be a dumpster planet ruled by a tiny elite.


The problem here is we must not be too quick to conflate philosophical ideas with incidentals such as race. It is not Mamdani’s race or ethnicity that makes him an anathema to the cultural values of the West but his political ideology.

By focusing solely on racial dimensions, we risk endorsing a simplistic view that overlooks the more profound ideological and cultural conflicts at play here. Framing arguments in defense of Western Civilization in strictly racial terms indeed promotes the progressive left’s view that racial determinism prevails over other factors.

This is not to deny that racial differences exist. Yet the progressive agenda is more about enforcing uniformity of thought and transforming values than such incidentals as skin pigmentation.

Theodore Dalrymple — née Anthony Malcolm Daniels — who as a British physician witnessed first hand the anti-social behavior that necessarily accompanies the Welfare State, has documented this theme extensively. Dalrymple demonstrated how Western Welfare Culture destroys families and communities by creating a permanent and multi-generational underclass — raised with little to no parental supervision — intent on seeking short-term pleasure that is devoid of meaning, direction or any pretense of individual accountability.

In Dalrymple’s case, this animalistic underclass was primarily white Londoners, demonstrating that such cultural rot adheres to no racial boundaries: “A crude culture creates a coarse people, and private refinement cannot long survive public excess. Gresham's law of money applies to culture as well as of money: the bad drives out the good, unless the good is defended.” Theodore Dalrymple.

Thomas Sowell has also written extensively on this idea. Sowell has argued persuasively that cultural capital exerts a significantly greater influence than political dynamics, societal prejudices, or genetic factors on the social and economic trajectories of minorities, nations, and civilizations:


This post was edited on 11/22/25 at 3:36 pm
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 3:35 pm to
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A lack of personal responsibility leads to an oppressor/oppressed political ideology.

That ideology has nothing to do with how people view a foreign country.


hurr durr…hurr dur…hurr durr…
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 3:43 pm to
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Victimhood ideology says that you have no agency, no way to fix your problems... something I think most of you believe. That ideology has never worked, never created anything of worth and will only lead to pain.


Says the brainwashed MIGA tool who views Israel as a perpetual victim.



Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 4:24 pm to
I never stated there was NO solution, so that’s where you’re propping up a straw man. I believe there is one, but it’s definitely not casting my vote for the UniParty that doesn’t give a shite about me.
This post was edited on 11/22/25 at 4:25 pm
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 4:29 pm to
You see, the problem with Thomas Sowell is that he blames black ghetto culture on poor Irish “rednecks”. Almost like they were “noble savages” before being tainted by “trashy, poor white culture”.
Has the dude never studied Africa and its failure to even establish a basic civilization throughout history?

Poverty will always be a problem insofar as criminality goes, but the difference in our case is that the Marxists have convinced the blacks that it is a racial issue and in turn are marshaling them against us. They use race as a class struggle stand in where whites are the “bourgeois” and the other races are “proletariat”.

To ignore this fact as a white man is fatal. You can’t hope for peace and prosperity when a war is being waged against you.
This post was edited on 11/22/25 at 4:30 pm
Posted by JoeHackett
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 5:00 pm to
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I never stated there was NO solution, so that’s where you’re propping up a straw man


I don't know, if you see yourself as a victim there's no much room for solutions. You arguing repeatedly against my position that people can take personal responsibility, doesn't feel like someone embracing solutions.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 5:04 pm to
Except for that one irrelevant middle eastern country of 9 million people.
Posted by JoeHackett
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 5:14 pm to
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Except for that one irrelevant middle eastern country of 9 million people.



I don't see myself as a victim of Israel. I don't see myself as a victim of any group. I can be dissatisfied with things but I don't see the value in blaming my problems on any country or large group. If I want to see change, I try and make that happen myself.

Frankly the Catholic Church concerns me more than Israel. It's that Catholics that fund and facilitate the migrant caravans, they move and settle them when they cross the border, they advocate against deportations, a Catholic is responsible for our 1965 immigration law that opened us up to legal immigration from the third world.

I still don't think of the Catholic Church as my oppressor though. I reject that way of thinking.
Posted by Tantal
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 5:15 pm to
I used to be one of those that liked to poke fun at the "it's the joooooos" types. Then I started looking into the roots of most of the nefarious shite in this world......
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 5:17 pm to
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At this point, any politician that is Pro-Israel, is immediately on my shite list.


That pretty much leaves you with just leftist women now that mtg has resigned.







Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 5:54 pm to
Your entire stupid point of picking yourself up by the bootstraps is a logical fallacy with your belief in funding Israel.

Don't spin it. I don't think you even know what you believe

OR

If you have any beliefs at all. But simply repeat talking points like this that make absolutely no sense.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 6:06 pm to
Even if it wasn't, it's been 60 years and we've forgiven much worse, hence why I mentioned Germany, Japan, and Vietnam. They have been a good ally for years and helped us quite a bit.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 6:19 pm to
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You see, the problem with Thomas Sowell is that he blames black ghetto culture on poor Irish “rednecks”. Almost like they were “noble savages” before being tainted by “trashy, poor white culture”.


I think it is a reductionist argument to claim Sowell “blames” whites for the problems plaguing much of the poor urban black ghetto. IMO, it may be more correct to say that Sowell posits that black ghetto culture shares many traits with Scots-Irish* culture that defined much of Southern Culture: a distrust of authority, intense peer group loyalty, and a cultural disposition to settle disputes with violence.

Sowell further argues how welfare culture — introduced in the 20th century — unintentionally fostered dependency and disrupted family structures within African American communities. Sowell has indeed extensively documented how the Welfare State has increased poverty levels in the black community rather than alleviating them.

James Webb likewise argued in Born Fighting: How the Scots-Irish Shaped America that under the right social circumstances, the clannish loyalty which characterizes Scots-Irish culture can be channeled into noble means such as taming the fierce Appalachian wilderness or fighting with honor and distinction in America’s wars. J.D. Vance’s Hillbilly Elegy further demonstrates that though many poor whites in Appalachia have a predilection for releasing stress through substance abuse, under the right environment, these shared cultural traits can be directed towards constructive cultural outcomes.

With these other examples in mind and taken in whole, I think the arguments made by Sowell, Webb and Vance ultimately boil down to an argument of nature vs. nurture. All three authors emphasize the significant role of cultural and social frameworks in shaping behaviors and value, highlighting how environmental factors — such as family structures, community loyalty, and historical legacies — impact both individual and shared group behaviors.

* A footnote: though Scots-Irish culture shares some cultural and historical roots with the Irish people, the term “Scotch-Irish” refers to descendants of the Scots who originated from the northern regions of Ireland (Ulster) during the 17th century. While acknowledging exceptions exist and at the risk of oversimplifying, the Scots-Irish were largely Protestant and settled in the rural south whereas the Irish were largely Catholic and settled in the urban north.
This post was edited on 11/22/25 at 8:02 pm
Posted by TigerAxeOK
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Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 6:27 pm to
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YOU, my friend, ARE the problem.

If YOU are implying that I think Nick Fuentes is the problem, then YOU are mistaken.

I said I don't like his style. That's just personal preference. I've also said that I agree with him on some of his beliefs. The message that I thought was clearly conveyed, but will make it so here since that clearly isn't the case is that Fuentes is not the solution. He can be part of the solution, but it's going to take a LOT of influencers like himself coming together and finding some common ground from which to build.

Perhaps that is common ground we could agree upon, to start that process right here and now? Or perhaps not. Again, I like some of what NF says and some of his logic, but I wouldn't follow him into battle any more than I'd follow any of these other stooges out there getting loud right now.

Fuentes is the kind of person that simply won't find much more widespread support outside of the ones who already support him deeply and like his brash and abrasive style. But he can certainly help bring his messaging to a more broad audience if all these "influencers" like Fuentes and Tatum and Owens and Shapiro will attempt to find common ground upon which to stand.

But I don't see that happening because the followings are too polarized. Level one little criticism against any one one of them, and the attack dogs are all over you. This was demonstrably proven by my original reply in this thread. There is no coming together with the Left. But it's looking now like there won't be any coming together among those on the Right either. We're going to hand the marxists 2026 and 2028 on a silver platter. And it won't be any fault but our own.

It is very critical to have hardliners like Nick in the equation to help establish an Overton Window. But to win, you have to appeal to those from all walks across the spectrum. Perhaps there's still time. I'm just trying to have a conversation here. We're all screwed, so I'm really not sure why I'm still trying.
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