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Do you care about your ancestors or your descendants?
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:07 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:07 am
I've thought about this a lot over the past few years as we keep hearing about how generic white people did bad things to generic black or brown people. What always catches my attention is when someone will say, "You did this to us!"
My first thought is always, "Wait...I was born in 1970, and you were born in 1982. You're talking about groups of people born way before both of us and you're attributing someone else's bad actions with me and someone else's suffering with you."
It's made me think...how far back to I even care about what my own family members went through? Truth is, not that far. I care about the grandparents I knew, which were three out of the four. It certainly would upset me to know they went through bad things, and given when and where they were born (early 1900's in the South) they certainly saw plenty of bad times. I also care about the grandfather I did not meet, mostly because he was my Dad's father and the husband of the grandmother who raised me. But before that? Other than seeing a few old faded photos and a couple of stories I can't even really remember, I honestly don't. And that only gets me to about 1890 or so. And before then I certainly don't give even a single rat's arse to be blunt. I have no more relationship with them than I would going back an additional 1000 years. Those people are complete and utter strangers to me.
Likewise, looking forward. I obviously care about my own sons. And one day if they are fortunate enough to have children of their own I'd certainly care about them...and I care about them in theory now. I hope I live long enough to meet them. And, I guess I care about the grandchildren of my own sons because I'd like for them to be able to know and love those kids if they ever exist. But beyond that? No...I'd be lying if I said I really care at all beyond a general sense of hoping things or good for everyone, etc.
My general point here is that I just don't believe anyone when they have some sort of angst about the mistreatment of people that happen to share the same skin tone as they do hundreds of years ago, at the hands of people who happen to share the same skin tone as I do. This is clearly just a means to an end, and a convenient hammer to hit people with.
Am I alone in this? If you found out that your great great great grandmother was raped by someone who looked like another race, would you honestly care about what she went through in a more connected way then you would hearing about some generic historical figure going through something similar or harbor bad feelings because of it towards people who happen to resemble the person who did this bad things 150+ years ago?
My first thought is always, "Wait...I was born in 1970, and you were born in 1982. You're talking about groups of people born way before both of us and you're attributing someone else's bad actions with me and someone else's suffering with you."
It's made me think...how far back to I even care about what my own family members went through? Truth is, not that far. I care about the grandparents I knew, which were three out of the four. It certainly would upset me to know they went through bad things, and given when and where they were born (early 1900's in the South) they certainly saw plenty of bad times. I also care about the grandfather I did not meet, mostly because he was my Dad's father and the husband of the grandmother who raised me. But before that? Other than seeing a few old faded photos and a couple of stories I can't even really remember, I honestly don't. And that only gets me to about 1890 or so. And before then I certainly don't give even a single rat's arse to be blunt. I have no more relationship with them than I would going back an additional 1000 years. Those people are complete and utter strangers to me.
Likewise, looking forward. I obviously care about my own sons. And one day if they are fortunate enough to have children of their own I'd certainly care about them...and I care about them in theory now. I hope I live long enough to meet them. And, I guess I care about the grandchildren of my own sons because I'd like for them to be able to know and love those kids if they ever exist. But beyond that? No...I'd be lying if I said I really care at all beyond a general sense of hoping things or good for everyone, etc.
My general point here is that I just don't believe anyone when they have some sort of angst about the mistreatment of people that happen to share the same skin tone as they do hundreds of years ago, at the hands of people who happen to share the same skin tone as I do. This is clearly just a means to an end, and a convenient hammer to hit people with.
Am I alone in this? If you found out that your great great great grandmother was raped by someone who looked like another race, would you honestly care about what she went through in a more connected way then you would hearing about some generic historical figure going through something similar or harbor bad feelings because of it towards people who happen to resemble the person who did this bad things 150+ years ago?
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:09 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Do you care about your ancestors or your descendants?
Outside of immediate family that is around while you are alive, I cannot imagine the headspace of anyone answering yes.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:10 am to GeauxTigerTM
I was born in Decatur Al so my descendants were probably poor idiots to wind up there. Don't care about anyone outside of family in my lifetime.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:15 am to GeauxTigerTM
Yes and no. I’m proud of my family heritage and want the best for my kid. On the other hand, all my grandparents except for one were dead before I was even born. I’m resigned to the fact that no one beyond my grandkids (if I live that long) will even have the faintest idea about me or care. We’re here for a little while and then we’re gone. Most of leave little trace at all we were ever around.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:16 am to td01241
I was born in Bossier City., Air Force brat. My sister in Columbus Ga., our mother was born in Georgia. My brother in Carbondale Pa., our father was born in Pa. We are the children of parents from different parts of the US. It is my heritage and helps me understand those before me.
My brother, who is older, could care less.
My brother, who is older, could care less.
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 10:17 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:17 am to GeauxTigerTM
I don't necessarily "care". But I do know what a couple generations prior to my grandparents went through and had to endure. They weren't slaves, but they were very, very poor and made hard sacrifices for the generations after them to have a better life. That's why I scoff when people claim "generational oppression". The vast majority of Americans 5 generations ago lived in conditions that is hard to wrap your mind around. There are a handful of families who were truly powerful and had real wealth back then.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:18 am to GeauxTigerTM
I care a lot and find their lives and paths very interesting. Of course I have a history major so that could be why I find it so interesting. I am also a Member of the Mayflower Society, a Daughter of the American Revolution and a Daughter of the Confederacy.
My father's family is where all these ancestors came from and my mother's family lived in Ireland until 1860's.
All my ancestors made me who I am today, especially the Southerners who made me so independent and willing to stand up for what I believe no matter the cost!
My father's family is where all these ancestors came from and my mother's family lived in Ireland until 1860's.
All my ancestors made me who I am today, especially the Southerners who made me so independent and willing to stand up for what I believe no matter the cost!
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:20 am to Indefatigable
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Outside of immediate family that is around while you are alive, I cannot imagine the headspace of anyone answering yes.
I care a bunch
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:20 am to GeauxTigerTM
Tribalism isn't going anywhere. It's baked into the genetic code.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:21 am to GeauxTigerTM
It’s important to know where you came from and what sacrifices were made, to me personally it helps appreciate where you are now. A lot of people don’t have to go back very far to find poor immigrants in their family.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:21 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Do you care about your ancestors or your descendants?
I've always like history, so I find genealogy interesting, too. I find it interesting to see how history may have influenced family decisions, for example. What brought my family to the United States? They were escaping from the bad conditions caused after the Bavarian War of Secession. What brought some down south? Land grants after the Revolutionary War. What led to my grandfather from Louisiana meeting my grandmother from Oregon? World War II. One different decision made by any number of ancestors, and you may not even exist today. Who they were and what they did is what makes you you.
As for descendants, after I die I want to be stuffed and mounted in my favorite chair with a scowl on my face so my descendants can see how disappointed I am with them.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:22 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Do you care about your ancestors or your descendants?
Only to the extent that they didn't leave me (or my parents) a f*cking penny!
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:24 am to GeauxTigerTM
I'm lucky to have an unusual last name so I was able to locate a guy online who had our genealogy going back to 1700. He emailed me 50 pages of the stuff for free and it's fascinating.
But I don't derive self esteem from my lineage. Cajuns have contributed nothing to the advancement of civilization. I'm an individual, not a member of a group.
I'm not concerned about my descendants. It's their problem. My parents had the 18 y.o. rule. 'OK, you're on your own. Goodbye, Good Luck, come see us at Christmas.'
But I don't derive self esteem from my lineage. Cajuns have contributed nothing to the advancement of civilization. I'm an individual, not a member of a group.
I'm not concerned about my descendants. It's their problem. My parents had the 18 y.o. rule. 'OK, you're on your own. Goodbye, Good Luck, come see us at Christmas.'
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:25 am to td01241
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I was born in Decatur Al so my descendants were probably poor idiots to wind up there. Don't care about anyone outside of family in my lifetime.
"poor idiots" usually confuse ancestors with descendants like you just did here.
Decatur, Alabama has a certain working class nature, but there are plenty of bright, successful people there who would not make the same blunder.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:25 am to GeauxTigerTM
so you have 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents, 16 great, great grandparents and so on. gotta figure there were "heroes and villains" in everyone's lineage along with a lot of average folks
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:28 am to Hooligan's Ghost
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gotta figure there were "heroes and villains" in everyone's lineage along with a lot of average folks
The only hero I can find is my great grandfather. He was a bounty hunter in the 1800s. He was very fast and killed a lot of people. He retired well off and died of old age.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:29 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Interesting question on a board that seems obsessed with lionizing and constantly memorializing their poor Rebel brethren.
Do you care about your ancestors or your descendants?
quote:On the surface, this makes sense, but I think you are in fact being too facile. If memory serves, you are a medical professional? I think there is a lot to say for inherited trauma. I don't know if this has an epigenetic angle or not, but if you are a Jewish person who lived through the Holocaust, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to say some portion of that trauma is handed down (via potentially several vectors of transmission) to future generations. If you were a Jewish kid born in, say, 1950, just imagine how much the Shoah might have featured in your developing psyche. You would have heard about the plight of your own and other relatives. You would have attended many memorial services, etc. The adults would likely have instilled in you fears of a repeat. A non-Jewish kid simply would not have gone through any of this. Are we really saying this isn't a thing?
My general point here is that I just don't believe anyone when they have some sort of angst about the mistreatment of people that happen to share the same skin tone as they do hundreds of years ago, at the hands of people who happen to share the same skin tone as I do. This is clearly just a means to an end, and a convenient hammer to hit people with.
Ditto some black people. If you had lived through the brutal early-mid-century Jim Crow era in, say, Mississippi, are you honestly positing that inherited trauma wouldn't be possible?
I'm not saying this is all-consuming or the reason for any and everything, but I think you are being too glib.
You even say "150+ years ago", but I'm not sure the trauma of slavery was necessarily worse than the trauma of Jim Crow. Millions of Jim Crow victims are currently alive as citizens of the US.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:30 am to BamaMamaof2
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I care a lot and find their lives and paths very interesting.
Describe "care" though. I find those old stories interesting, but without any direct connection with anyone from then, regardless of any family relations I may have with them, there is just nothing that connects me on any emotional level.
What I'm saying is that without that, at least for me, there is no possible way I can get worked up over some atrocity that happened 150 years ago to someone, just because they happen to have been related to me. Or an even worse connection, they happen to have shared the same skin tone as me.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:31 am to JJJimmyJimJames
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Decatur, Alabama has a certain working class nature, but there are plenty of bright, successful people there who would not make the same blunder.
Possibly. I moved to GA when I was five and have only seen it in passing since but from what I remember and gather it was a drug infested shite hole.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:34 am to GeauxTigerTM
These people are reaching peaking stupidity because they can. They've been given a voice by the loony fricks that have managed to get themselves elected into office. For the most part, most of their bullshite won't affect most of us in our daily life. However, they keep reaching more and more into the bag of life. Now it's not good enough for them to do stupid shite and just be left alone. They want to FORCE everyone to think what they're doing is ok or they will try to end you and everything you stand for.
I don't know how this all ends but it will.
I don't know how this all ends but it will.
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