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re: Do you care about your ancestors or your descendants?
Posted on 3/1/21 at 11:38 am to BamaMamaof2
Posted on 3/1/21 at 11:38 am to BamaMamaof2
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If you are from European decent, your ancestors are the bad asses that survived the Black Death!
Again...I get that in a general sense. Gong back much further, most of our ancestors (at least those who left Africa) ventured out of Africa and conquered the rest of the globe. That's pretty cool. But, I'd be lying if I said it mattered to me in any real way what happened to them along the way. They are simply too far removed from me now for me to care.
And as someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, we see the exact same thing any time some huge tragedy happens in another part of the world. 100,000 people can die of a tsunami on the other side of the planet and most will "care" but would be moved far greater if they found out their nextdoor neighbor who they've known for 10 years and really likes died unexpectedly. In this case, the proximity matters far more than the actual numbers.
Likewise, ask most people and they'd gladly give up their life to save their own child. You'd likely not do that for someone less close, but you may. But you'd never do it for someone that you'd never meet on the other side of the world. I'm making a similar argument, but based on time rather than distance.
FWIW, this was not meant to get those who care about their ancestry all riled up, but more to do with point about the absurdity, at least to me, of people who use the tragedies of people in the far past as reasons for why they today must be given things...as if that person 200 years ago would feel better knowing some a-hole in 2021 is getting preferential treatment because they suffered 200 years ago and was callously using it as a means to an end.
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Posted on 3/1/21 at 11:42 am to winkchance
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As the descendant of Irish immigrants
Did you know that they don't celebrate St. Patrick's Day in Ireland?
Posted on 3/1/21 at 11:43 am to BamaMamaof2
quote:There's a school of thought that the reason The United States became so successful, so quickly, had a lot to do with the people who immigrated here from Europe. It takes a certain mindset to leave your known life, and go build something out of wilderness.
I care a lot and find their lives and paths very interesting. Of course I have a history major so that could be why I find it so interesting. I am also a Member of the Mayflower Society, a Daughter of the American Revolution and a Daughter of the Confederacy.
My father's family is where all these ancestors came from and my mother's family lived in Ireland until 1860's.
All my ancestors made me who I am today, especially the Southerners who made me so independent and willing to stand up for what I believe no matter the cost!
Posted on 3/1/21 at 11:46 am to td01241
quote:I dont know much about Savannah either but I bet there were and are more drugs there...
Possibly. I moved to GA when I was five and have only seen it in passing since but from what I remember and gather it was a drug infested shite hole.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:26 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Absolutely not. You can't help what you inherit. Your parents can avoid spreading their distrust to you.
Distinction without a difference?
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:27 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Prior to ~1880 I know very little about my ancestors.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:32 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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people who use the tragedies of people in the far past as reasons for why they today must be given things...as if that person 200 years ago would feel better knowing some a-hole in 2021 is getting preferential treatment
I don't think any (credible) person asking to be given reparations or some other benefit is doing it simply because an ancestor was mistreated. They are asking for it because they believe the same forces who oppressed their ancestor are still at work today. Disclaimer, I'm not weighing in one way or the other on that issue, but your premise on their thought process is incorrect.
I think you are correct, for example, that most young Jews don't feel personal sadness for their great-great-Uncle who was murdered in eastern Europe. What upsets them is that same assholes who orchestrated that genocide might come shoot up their synagogue while wearing a red trucker hat.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:32 pm to Zach
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Did you know that they don't celebrate St. Patrick's Day in Ireland?
Not sure where you got that information. It is a national holiday and most people don't go to work and most schools are closed.
It is a religious holiday for the Catholics in Ireland and all over the world.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:37 pm to BamaMamaof2
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Not sure where you got that information.
It's on videos of Irish people who visited America.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:41 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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They are simply too far removed from me now for me to care.
And that works for you.
I am in awe at that fact that my ancestors just survived. To think an ear ache, a broken bone, or childbirth could kill you. I have stories about some of mine and they worked their butts off to provide for their families, they lived their lives not knowing if the next they could feed their children, they celebrated a good harvest like we celebrate National Championships.
It is your right not to care for your ancestor, but it is also my right to care about them deeply. I may not have known them personally, but I know them. I never met Jesus, but I care about him.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:50 pm to baconwaffle
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I don't think any (credible) person asking to be given reparations or some other benefit is doing it simply because an ancestor was mistreated.
I disagree. There are far too many examples of people using phrases such as "We" and "Us" in referring to some group with which they identify in the past and others as "you" and "Them" when identifying those today who resemble those who did the oppressing. It's this very specific personalization of past tragedies as if they were their own because they share the same skin tone, and the blame must then fall to someone today whos only crime is sharing the same skin tone as the bad person in the past.
FWIW, this is not just a black/white issue. While it's certainly what I'm talking about, what made me bring it up was while watching the show Longmire on Netflix which is set in Wyoming and often deals with American Indian issues, and the same language is used in that case as is used with black/white issues.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:04 pm to BamaMamaof2
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I am in awe at that fact that my ancestors just survived. To think an ear ache, a broken bone, or childbirth could kill you.
Oh, believe me...I do think about that. I find it utterly amazing that if there was technically a way to do it, you could theoretically go back into deep time from myself to my father, to his father, to his father, etc and literally all the way back to the first life on Earth. It's astounding. I don't think it has anything to do with my original post, but I find it an interesting topic none the less.
And I'm moved by what those relatives closest to me went through because I actually knew them. Not stories of them, but talked with them, hugged them, and they knew me. I legitimately think there's a huge difference there. It's why I can be moved to tears when I look at an old photograph of my paternal grandmother from her First Communion that I edited from an old photo, and I can see little holes in her dress. She's so happy here, and yet she's wearing what was unquestionably a hand-me-down and shows how poor her family was. My personal love for this incredible woman that largely raised me stretches back to want to be able to fix this for her, in a past I can never get to. But if this had been from her mother, or grandmother, I almost certainly would have very little connection having never known them at all.
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It is your right not to care for your ancestor, but it is also my right to care about them deeply.
I never suggested otherwise that you or anyone else did not have the right to do anything, did I? I simply stated MY opinion and asked you to clarify yours if you wanted to.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:12 pm to GeauxTigerTM
I care about the history as in i like to learn about it and I cared about the gradnparents and great grandparents I got to spend time with, especially my Dads father and mother.
But I mean I dont think about my great grandparents very often at all. They all died when I was young except two great grandmothers and I didnt spend much time with either.
I do miss my dads parents greatly and my moms stepdad, but in no way shape or form do they influence my day to day thinking. Honestly outside of the stories about Hurricane Audrey and stories about my Dads parents being in Saudi, there life expierences didnt have much bearing on my life or way of thinking.
Sure I am proud of all my grandparents time serving in the military, but other then that no biggie.
Beyond the ones I met? sure interested in the history, but thats it. For example on my dads mothers side....we can and have traced the family back to nova scotia and then back to france. But i dont care or hold a grudge against any one that participated in that. I could care less.
Why should i ever care what someones ancestors did to mine? how the hell does that affect my life?
But I mean I dont think about my great grandparents very often at all. They all died when I was young except two great grandmothers and I didnt spend much time with either.
I do miss my dads parents greatly and my moms stepdad, but in no way shape or form do they influence my day to day thinking. Honestly outside of the stories about Hurricane Audrey and stories about my Dads parents being in Saudi, there life expierences didnt have much bearing on my life or way of thinking.
Sure I am proud of all my grandparents time serving in the military, but other then that no biggie.
Beyond the ones I met? sure interested in the history, but thats it. For example on my dads mothers side....we can and have traced the family back to nova scotia and then back to france. But i dont care or hold a grudge against any one that participated in that. I could care less.
Why should i ever care what someones ancestors did to mine? how the hell does that affect my life?
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:15 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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What always catches my attention is when someone will say, "You did this to us!"
Hell, I've had white people say this to me!
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:20 pm to GeauxTigerTM
All of my ancestors are dead so there's not much they can do for me or I can do for them. So, don't really care.
Descendants? Yes for the near-term ones but after I bite the dust, what will I be able to do about it?
Bottom line: it's fun to talk/think about ancestors and descendants but all we have in this life is right now...
Descendants? Yes for the near-term ones but after I bite the dust, what will I be able to do about it?
Bottom line: it's fun to talk/think about ancestors and descendants but all we have in this life is right now...
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:38 pm to Zach
quote:That depends on what you mean. It's historically been an actually solemn, religious event there - but still absolutely a big deal. In the past 40-50 years, they've started to mimic the US by having it be more festive.
Did you know that they don't celebrate St. Patrick's Day in Ireland?
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:42 pm to greygoose
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There's a school of thought that the reason The United States became so successful, so quickly, had a lot to do with the people who immigrated here from Europe. It takes a certain mindset to leave your known life, and go build something out of wilderness.
That's interesting to hear. I was thinking about this one day after watching something about why the homo sapian survived more than other types. Like Western/Northern Europeans ventured out nomad wise from more of a center way back in the day. So they had to survive building something out of the wilderness like you described.
Thanks for making this point. If you know of some references to look into that would be appreciated.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:47 pm to BamaMamaof2
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You might want to take a look at this! I have 2nd cousins who still live there and are always asking me to come over for St. Paddy's Day.
I looked up 3 sites and they all said it was a day of mourning. Not a day of celebration. Then it fell out of favor entirely. I believe Irish girl. She's very pretty.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 2:00 pm to Zach
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I looked up 3 sites and they all said it was a day of mourning. Not a day of celebration. Then it fell out of favor entirely. I believe Irish girl. She's very pretty.
I would love to see a sight that says St. Paddy's Day is a day of Mourning!
Although a myth, St. Patrick is credited for driving all the snakes out of Ireland.
He is also credited with the Shamrock becoming associated with the holiday and Ireland because he used the 3 leaves to explain the Holy Trinity.
This day is a day of celebration to him. Us Catholics always celebrate the Saints on the day of the deaths.
I seriously don't know where you are getting this information but it is flat out false!
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