re: Do people still believe that WTC 7 was NOT a planned demolition?

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On the contrary I've seen a couple of engineering seminars by structural engineers that specialize in high rises with a lot of unanswered questions who are very skeptical of the NIST narrative.

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Okay. That's fine but unanswered questions aren't evidence of a massive conspiracy, which this would require.

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Just my opinion and I've already said it in this thread if it was an inside job which I think is more probable than not, was not pulled off by U.S. intelligence. More than likely foreign intelligence with maybe a couple of U.S. intelligence persons with knowledge. And how do you keep this quiet? Silos.

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Gumbo, think of all the moving parts here. Think of the scale. The time involved. The sophistication required to not only design/set up the demolition but to make it look like it was caused by airplanes flying into the towers. Someone posted in this thread, "yeah, but OKC bombing was just a few guys" (or something like that). The OKC bombing was child's play (from an attack standpoint) compared to 9/11. Moreover, those guys were caught, right? It became very clear, very quickly what happened, how it happened and who did it.

As for silos, once the towers came down and thousands died, wars were started - don't you think the folks in the silos would be able to connect some pretty massive dots?

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I understand you want me to touch on the expansion of steel due to temperature variations but it would be making the assumption that the temperature is homogenous through all columns.

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If you were an engineer you'd know about material certs, and that yes, you can accurately assess heat expansion of a structure. Quite easily and accurately.

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Of course, they already knew who was responsible once that magical passport was found just blocks from Ground Zero.

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Let’s assume the passport did float down: who found the passport and turned it in? In the following French television interview, a FBI agent discusses the recovery of the passport allegedly belonging to a 9/11 Hijacker.

As stated in the YT comments section: “Surréaliste.” No matter how you approach it, every angle of this unscathed passport strains credulity.

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If you were an engineer you'd know about material certs, and that yes, you can accurately assess heat expansion of a structure. Quite easily and accurately.

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You misunderstand.

When a fire is applying 1500 degree heat to a bean on one side, the other side 500 feet away is still ambient temperature.

It's the classic heat transfer through an iron rod problem with conduction and convection.

Its not simply applying the coefficient of linear expansion problem as if the temperature is homogeneous through the entire beam. It's not and this approach way over estimates thermal expansion.

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You are tying to convince me that what I see on video and fireman witness testimony as to explosions prior to collapse are not related to a controlled demolition because it seems too complicated to pull off.

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You think that it's unusual for a building that's been on fire four hours to have explosions? Dude, you're an engineer FFS.

And I didn't say anything about complicated. I am making the obvious point that to pull 9/11 off as this remarkably effective/efficient conspiracy, it would require a boatload of people.

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I was fired up to bomb Iraq because of Flight 93 and "Let's Roll" at the time. Bush and Cheney could say no wrong. But then I began to look with a more jaundiced eye. It looks like the government narrative and the evidence are not congruent and I start with Building 7 because it is seem like an obvious controlled demolition.

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We have this in common. And after reality of this version of the war on terror became so apparent, I decided it would be the last time I'd be fooled by my government.

Consider looking at it this way, Gumbo - a lot like Covid. Bush/Cheney/MIC took advantage of a real something to conveniently advance a narrative that got them what they wanted. With Covid, the virus was real and it was used like 9/11 was to accomplish all sorts of political, cultural and economic objectives.

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I remember when 9/11 conspiracy theories were up there with JFK assassination in scope, as strength of conspiracy theories are concerned - but now that particular theory subject is just another Monday morning.

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And just 4 short years ago we were scolded that only the certifiable lunatic fringe believed COVID-1984 originated not from a “wet market” but instead originated in a lab.

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You are tying to convince me that what I see on video and fireman witness testimony as to explosions prior to collapse are not related to a controlled demolition because it seems too complicated to pull off.

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The words of a nearby fireman isn't something clear thinking people should find compelling.

You've cited visuals as being persuasive, but how do you reconcile that with how susceptible humans are to misleading visual cues?

What about a reality check? What do you think is the tallest building to ever be brought down by controlled demolition?

On 9/11, the tallest was the JL Hudson building, which was a mere 410 feet. It was brought down in 1998. LINK

In the 22 years since then the record was broken in Adu Dhabi when a 541 foot structure was demolished via 3,000 delay detonators and 915 kg of explosives. LINK

So what are the odds of what would be a then (and still) world record 610 foot tall WTC7 building being brought down by controlled demolition? How many more than 3,000 delay detonators would be needed to expertly AND surreptitiously be pre-planted in a fully occupied office building? How many more than 915 kilograms of explosives could be expertly AND surreptitiously placed and wired with no one in this occupied building knowing...and then not a trace of any det cord?

Don't you think it strains credulity to think a team of secret demolition experts could pull that off, be experienced enough to break a world record, and have no one brag about it?

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Start with numbers. How many people do you think would have to be involved in a conspiracy to design the demolition, set up the demolition, do whatever it took to get hijackers on planes and flying into the buildings, etc., etc. How many do you think would have to touch all that?

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What if I said 100k people and they all kept their mouth shut. You'd call me a liar but, that many people kept their mouth shut building an atomic bomb. So you can frick right off with that BS.

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Was the Manhattan project a secret twenty years after the fact?

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The Gulf of Tonkin incident was hush hush well over 40 fricking years you dunce and 58000 Americans died because of it. Not to mention over a million SE Asians.

You idiots believe everything you see and hear from media and govt. The 2 biggest BS artists there. Start thinking for yourself.