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re: Do people still believe that WTC 7 was NOT a planned demolition?

Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:41 pm to
Posted by Old Money
LSU
Member since Sep 2012
41779 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:41 pm to
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I've always wondered how hundreds (minimum) of people could be involved in the planning and execution of an attack that size and nobody has ever broken that silence... doesn't seem possible.


Minimum? You're assuming hundreds of people would be involved in the plot. We dont know how many people were. It could be much less. We don't know. OKC bombing was what, 1 guy? First WTC bombing was a handful.
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 2:42 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:42 pm to
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We don't know. OKC bombing was what, 1 guy?


Two guys IIRC.
Posted by L1C4
The Ville
Member since Aug 2017
16567 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:43 pm to
Sure. They knocked down the twin towers to get rid of bld #7
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
2868 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:45 pm to
Just curious, are they are any US wars, catastrophes that are NOT conspiracies, to include the Revolutionary war (Which I hear is a Freemason plot to control the continental resources)?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22720 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:47 pm to
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I'd rather stick with the science

This is like Kamala saying she'd rather stick with economics. She's clueless and so are you related to the metallurgy, structural engineering, combustion, etc. involved in this incident.

I mean you're not a metallurgist or a structural engineer or a blasting expert - you have no expertise in any of that, right? So why do you think you're posting science in this thread?

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I would say a few dozen would be in the know.

You're smarter than this. It would take a shite ton more than a few dozen to pull something like this off.

Who set the charges? Who got those people access to the f'n building for the period of time necessary to set those charges? Who would have laid eyes on those people over that time? Who requisitioned the charges? Who designed the demolition? You understand that's not like drawing up a pass route in your backyard, right? FFS - it would take not only a shite ton of design but also testing to do something like that for the WTC.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9546 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:48 pm to
Maye you two should take the time to look up what the material is used for?

It has a justified use in large steel structures ....
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:49 pm to
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Just curious, are they are any US wars, catastrophes that are NOT conspiracies, to include the Revolutionary war (Which I hear is a Freemason plot to control the continental resources)?


Katrina wasn't a conspiracy theory. Marines actually took out gang members on the down low.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95637 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:51 pm to
The problem is, there would be "evidence". And "use your eyes" is neither an argument nor evidence.

Didn't 1 & 2 essentially freefall collapse? We know, for a fact, that both buildings were hit with jet airliners full of fuel (on purpose), with the aspirational goal of these collapses. Those buildings were much larger than 7 and 7 was hit by quite a bit of debris from those collapses (1000 feet in the sky some of that stuff fell). That plus the fire gives us an Occam's Razor explanation.

Could the powers-that-be have engineered all the attacks? Sure. Could they have wired 1, 2 and/or 7 with explosives to function as controlled demolitions of the buildings with a nefarious purpose and using these faked attacks as a cover story? Absolutely.

But there would be credible evidence. The operation you describe would have involved several hundred, if not thousands of people. It would leave trace evidence. The skeptics get stuck on "steel doesn't melt" (or whatever) and things like this, "free fall demolition" and physics, material science, etc., all point to the conclusion that what happened was exactly what we saw. Terror attacks using planes in lieu of bombs/missiles, fully fueled jetliners that sprayed burning fuel all over the target site, fires and structural damage completing the job.

I love conspiracy theories. This one just doesn't have any weight behind it at all. Maybe in 50 years that will change, but there isn't 1% of the evidence for this than, for say a conclusion that Oswald didn't act alone (or was otherwise sheepdipped/set up to take the fall). Not nearly 1%.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95637 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:55 pm to
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Marines actually took out gang members on the down low.


Really? Marines? Were they wrecking gangs in Biloxi and Gulfport?

Because in the city, it was National Guard, the 82nd Airborne and NOPD.

I was there (Superdome) from Monday evening through Labor Day and a good bit of the Fall. Ask me anything.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:59 pm to
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he's clueless and so are you related to the metallurgy, structural engineering, combustion, etc. involved in this incident.


I'm actually an SME on fracture propagation in steel pipelines. But my real focus is thermo-fluid systems.

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I mean you're not a metallurgist


I am not a metallurgist but I have spent a few projects and time with metallurgist and have taken courses in material science as it pertains to pipeline integrity.

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or a structural engineer


I'm a mechanical engineer by practice and do some structural engineering in my area of expertise and work closely with structural engineers. It's structural engineering around O&G facilities, not high rise buildings.

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or a blasting expert


Correct but I have worked on some projects that require blasting.

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So why do you think you're posting science in this thread?


Don't believe me. Take the expertise of thousands of my fellow colleagues:

https://www.ae911truth.org/
Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3289 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:02 pm to
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If they needed building 7 removed that badly, they would have just had another plane flown into it.


Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:03 pm to
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The problem is, there would be "evidence". And "use your eyes" is neither an argument nor evidence.

Didn't 1 & 2 essentially freefall collapse? We know, for a fact, that both buildings were hit with jet airliners full of fuel (on purpose), with the aspirational goal of these collapses. Those buildings were much larger than 7 and 7 was hit by quite a bit of debris from those collapses (1000 feet in the sky some of that stuff fell). That plus the fire gives us an Occam's Razor explanation.

Could the powers-that-be have engineered all the attacks? Sure. Could they have wired 1, 2 and/or 7 with explosives to function as controlled demolitions of the buildings with a nefarious purpose and using these faked attacks as a cover story? Absolutely.

But there would be credible evidence. The operation you describe would have involved several hundred, if not thousands of people. It would leave trace evidence. The skeptics get stuck on "steel doesn't melt" (or whatever) and things like this, "free fall demolition" and physics, material science, etc., all point to the conclusion that what happened was exactly what we saw. Terror attacks using planes in lieu of bombs/missiles, fully fueled jetliners that sprayed burning fuel all over the target site, fires and structural damage completing the job.

I love conspiracy theories. This one just doesn't have any weight behind it at all. Maybe in 50 years that will change, but there isn't 1% of the evidence for this than, for say a conclusion that Oswald didn't act alone (or was otherwise sheepdipped/set up to take the fall). Not nearly 1%.


It's very simple.

Planes did hit the buildings. The events that led to this can be debated.

Thermotic material was planted in the buildings to cut structural members.

Explosions were heard and used to cut center columns.

Once the center columns were cut the collapse ensued.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22720 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:07 pm to
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I am not a metallurgist but I have spent a few projects and time with metallurgist and have taken courses in material science as it pertains to pipeline integrity.

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

You're not a metallurgist. If you were, you'd not be concerned about whether or not steel would melt at the temps involved.

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structural engineers. It's structural engineering around O&G facilities, not high rise buildings.

Then you're just trolling in this thread because you should have an understanding of how a steel superstructure collapses.

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on't believe me. Take the expertise of thousands of my fellow colleagues:

JFC - like I said, it's like you're on the opposite side from the climate change debate, which is propped up by "thousands of climate experts" - right?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:11 pm to
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Marines actually took out gang members on the down low.



Really? Marines? Were they wrecking gangs in Biloxi and Gulfport?

Because in the city, it was National Guard, the 82nd Airborne and NOPD.

I was there (Superdome) from Monday evening through Labor Day and a good bit of the Fall. Ask me anything.


Okay, I take back the Marines comment. National Guard. I knew it was our service men though just forgot which one. And thank you for your service especially during that extremely trying time. I did not live in NOLA at the time but across the lake in Mandeville close to the lake. I lost my house. Luckily I evacuated me and my family or I would have been dead. I think a tornado hit our block because our block was demolished. We lived on the road homeless from hotel to hotel for 3 months with a 9 month old and a 4 month old.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57856 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:13 pm to
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Maximum carnage to get the Patriot Act ushered in.


The 2 largest buildings in the US collapsing wasn’t going to do it? This is such a stupid conspiracy theory.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57856 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:16 pm to
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Thermotic material was planted in the buildings to cut structural members.


When did this happen?

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Once the center columns were cut the collapse ensued


So retarded
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:17 pm to
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You're not a metallurgist. If you were, you'd not be concerned about whether or not steel would melt at the temps involved.


I understand you want me to touch on the expansion of steel due to temperature variations but it would be making the assumption that the temperature is homogenous through all columns. That is a massively incorrect assumption unless the same energy was applied across the entirety of all beams. It just wasn't. Office fires cannot do that.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95637 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:17 pm to
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Thermotic material was planted in the buildings to cut structural members.



Okay, so here we go - This is an assertion. I'll concede it was possible.

What I need to know:

How much access to the structure of 1, 2 and 7 was required in order to plant these explosives?

Who with the building management would have had to be in on the conspiracy to allow this access?

How long would it have taken?

How were the tenants misled as to what was going on?

What organizations/teams, on Earth, had the capability, access, freedom to act, and then remain silent about the operation?
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 3:18 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:17 pm to
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Once the center columns were cut the collapse ensued



So retarded


So to demo a building you would not cut the center columns?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68382 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:21 pm to
I think that building had some spooks.
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At the time of the September 11 attacks, Salomon Smith Barney was by far the largest tenant in 7 World Trade Center, occupying 1,202,900 sq ft (111,750 m2) (64 percent of the building) which included floors 28–45.[1]: 2 [23] Other major tenants included ITT Hartford Insurance Group (122,590 sq ft/11,400 m2), American Express Bank International (106,117 sq ft/9,900 m2), Standard Chartered Bank (111,398 sq ft/10,350 m2), and the Securities and Exchange Commission (106,117 sq ft/9,850 m2).[23] Smaller tenants included the Internal Revenue Service Regional Council (90,430 sq ft/8,400 m2) and the United States Secret Service (85,343 sq ft/7,900 m2).[23] The smallest tenants included the New York City Office of Emergency Management,[24] National Association of Insurance Commissioners, Federal Home Loan Bank of New York, First State Management Group Inc., Provident Financial Management, and the Immigration and Naturalization Service.[23] The Department of Defense (DOD) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) shared the 25th floor with the IRS.[1]: 2 (The clandestine CIA office was revealed only after the 9/11 attacks.)[25] Floors 46–47 were mechanical floors, as were the bottom six floors and part of the seventh floor.[1]: 2 [25]


But, it begs the question, why blow the building? IF this was an op run by someone, perhaps it was a base. Rudy's super duper double secret reinforced bunker was always interesting to me. I think there is a whole gold angle, too.
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