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Do conservatives want to ban abortions?
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:25 pm
A lot of 'em do and will admit such on this board. It may not be a huge majority, but it's enough that the left is justified in being worried about planned parenthood in red states. Clinics are closed all the time.
That's why you can't trust voices saying liberals don't want to take away guns. A lot 'em of do. It's a moralized topic and many would jump at the chance, just like conservatives who would love to overturn Roe.
This is how they view it. The fact that the 2nd is written into the constitution is not persuasive to them. This is not a pro abortion thread, it's an example of how moralized subjects are perceived.
That's why you can't trust voices saying liberals don't want to take away guns. A lot 'em of do. It's a moralized topic and many would jump at the chance, just like conservatives who would love to overturn Roe.
This is how they view it. The fact that the 2nd is written into the constitution is not persuasive to them. This is not a pro abortion thread, it's an example of how moralized subjects are perceived.
This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 12:33 pm
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:27 pm to Tigerlaff
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just like conservatives who would love to overturn Roe.
False equivalency, roe is a joke and the right to arms is plainly written in the bill of rights.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:27 pm to Tigerlaff
I would rather see a much larger emphasis put on personal responsibility aspects like abstinence and safe sax rather than abortion (looking at you, Planned Parenthood).
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:27 pm to Tigerlaff
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Do conservatives want to ban abortions?
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just like conservatives who would love to overturn Roe.
Overturning Roe does not ban abortions.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:29 pm to Tigerlaff
False equivalence.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:30 pm to Tigerlaff
Roe v. Wade was a horseshite conclusion.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:30 pm to Turbeauxdog
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False equivalency, roe is a joke and the right to arms is plainly written in the bill of rights.
I agree with you, but they see it completely differently. This is reality.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:30 pm to Tigerlaff
OP:
Whatever answer you're looking for, you'll find many more answers than you expect.
Me? I'd like to ban dumb fricks from propagating. That would solve a lot of problems.
Whatever answer you're looking for, you'll find many more answers than you expect.
Me? I'd like to ban dumb fricks from propagating. That would solve a lot of problems.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:31 pm to Tigerlaff
Roe is a Supreme Court Decision
The 2nd is a Constitutional Amendment
One is decided by 5 judges who are along since dead.
The other was ratified by the continental congress and the legislatures of all 13 original states.
In order to change the former, it takes 5 Supreme Court Justices to decide to change it.
To change the latter, it requires a 2/3 majority in both chambers of Congress plus ratification by at least 3/4 of state legislatures.
Conservatives want to change the rules on abortion by following the process that created them (challenge in the Supreme Court).
Progressives wish to ignore the amendment process on guns and render the document which enshrined those rights meaningless because the process to amend the Constitution is "too hard" (i.e. too many people disagree with them).
The 2nd is a Constitutional Amendment
One is decided by 5 judges who are along since dead.
The other was ratified by the continental congress and the legislatures of all 13 original states.
In order to change the former, it takes 5 Supreme Court Justices to decide to change it.
To change the latter, it requires a 2/3 majority in both chambers of Congress plus ratification by at least 3/4 of state legislatures.
Conservatives want to change the rules on abortion by following the process that created them (challenge in the Supreme Court).
Progressives wish to ignore the amendment process on guns and render the document which enshrined those rights meaningless because the process to amend the Constitution is "too hard" (i.e. too many people disagree with them).
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:31 pm to Tigerlaff
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agree with you, but they see it completely differently. This is reality
Sorry, you can't cede ground to the loons as a basis of a conversation.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:32 pm to Tigerlaff
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Do conservatives want to ban abortions?
Yes. Unlike liberals, conservatives actualky do what to save children’s lives.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:32 pm to Turbeauxdog
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False equivalency, roe is a joke and the right to arms is plainly written in the bill of rights.
That's not the comparison, the comparison was the suggestion that both are "moralized issues"...
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:33 pm to Tigerlaff
I want free abortion clinics on every corner
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:33 pm to kingbob
He won’t respond to your post. Intellectual honesty is not a liberal trait
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:34 pm to Tigerlaff
Killing babies? Yes, I oppose killing babies 
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:35 pm to Tigerlaff
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Do conservatives want to ban abortions?
I can go either way and see either side.
What i DONT want.. is MY tax money paying for them.
Simple as that.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:35 pm to Tigerlaff
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That's why you can't trust voices saying liberals don't want to take away guns. A lot 'em of do. It's a moralized topic and many would jump at the chance, just like conservatives who would love to overturn Roe.
I would bet you any amount you wan't that there are way more people in the country that want an outright ban on abortions than there are that want a full ban on the ownership of any type of gun.
The anti-abortion population is a minority in the country but still large enough to effect change.
Full gun bans are the stuff of fantasy in the mind of a very small percentage of people and will never happen here.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:37 pm to Tigerlaff
Conservatives (me) don't want to pay for abortions nor do they believe they are morally right but these 2 things are separate issues.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:37 pm to Azkiger
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That's not the comparison, the comparison was the suggestion that both are "moralized issues"...
Thank you. I'm not here to draw false equivalencies or support abortion. It's about illustrating how people want to ban things when the topic is "good vs evil." There are numerous voices on the left who absolutely want to take away guns.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:37 pm to Tigerlaff
We must ban assault abortions. Assault cars. Assault knives. Assault alcohol. Assault tobacco. Assault opioids. And on and on and on.
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