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re: DJT - “I don’t want to drive housing prices down. I want to drive housing prices up.”
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:19 am to Powerman
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:19 am to Powerman
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You see many of these on the road?
You know why you don't? Cause they don't sell.
People who can't actually afford it wants a 4 door, 4wd, loaded out, diesel, truck to drive to their job that requires no truck to perform.
There is a construction company headquarters near my office and people show up in dress shirts driving F350s and 3500 Duramax diesels with 3 coats of polish on them to fill out excel sheets and run plans through the plotters.
You know why there isn't many domestic car models anymore? Mrs. Travel ball or cheerleading competition mom wants a 16 mpg Yukon Denali to take Konnor and Kaitlyyn around in. A car just won't cut it.
Hence part of the problem.
This post was edited on 1/30/26 at 9:21 am
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Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:22 am to TigahJay
It’s just a fact that many Americans have their wealth in equity and millions consider that equity a significant part of their retirement. And yet we have to address ENTRY to home ownership. This will only be accomplished through technology and government loosening regulations. There has to be a better way and we need a visionary Elon Musk type person to accomplish that.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:24 am to RollTide4547
I'm going to help you out and post what I replied to:
My response about the tariffs is that "self-contradictory" part. The repeated contradictions expressed here aren't wrong because they're about tariffs or Trump, they're wrong because they were and are logically impossible.
What problems did I predict?
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he's got a cult full of people who support it, even if it's self-contradictory.
My response about the tariffs is that "self-contradictory" part. The repeated contradictions expressed here aren't wrong because they're about tariffs or Trump, they're wrong because they were and are logically impossible.
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You mean the tariffs that DID NOT cause any of the problems you so called "experts" predicted?
What problems did I predict?
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:26 am to wackatimesthree
("Scripting sequence nailed completely.")
Or, could be both. Nothing happens organically or by coincidence or chance. The People in Charge of this place (they aren't our "governments") have been the controlling overlord of all policies and economic swings, depressions, and inflation. The US was specifically chosen to be the Bankers' Flagship Nation of privilege, milk & honey. That's all ending.
Btw, I wasn't being sarcastic in my post -- I was lauding your awareness.
That said, the non-stop and ever louder "scripting" is self-evident if anyone is paying the least bit of attention and dismissing the noise.
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That could be the script because it's a made up narrative, or it could be the script because it's true and it happens frequently.
Or, could be both. Nothing happens organically or by coincidence or chance. The People in Charge of this place (they aren't our "governments") have been the controlling overlord of all policies and economic swings, depressions, and inflation. The US was specifically chosen to be the Bankers' Flagship Nation of privilege, milk & honey. That's all ending.
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I notice you didn't post anything to substantiate the former. Would you like for me to post more examples of the latter?
Btw, I wasn't being sarcastic in my post -- I was lauding your awareness.
That said, the non-stop and ever louder "scripting" is self-evident if anyone is paying the least bit of attention and dismissing the noise.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:28 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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housing is up like 60% since 2019
Yeah, that's not normal or "customary" appreciation, is it?
Dunno why home owners believe hyper-inflated values should be preserved by feral policies.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:28 am to EphesianArmor
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The People in Charge of this place (they aren't our "governments")
I see.
I'll leave that to you, then.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:29 am to wackatimesthree
quote:Yet they claimed to know.... That's my point.
If they were here, they were not experts.
Any more than you or I am.
quote:My opinion the ONLY way to purchase a car. Then use that vehicle till the wheels fall off. I commute 67 miles one way to work. Drive a 2011 ford fiesta that had 299500 and change when I got to work this morning. Bought it with 160K miles for 3200 bucks. Never had to make a payment on it. Young people want the expensive car, expensive clothes, expensive coffee, expensive night out on the town, expensive electronics, expensive college to attend on student loans and then they whine because they can't get the loan for that expensive house.
So you can still save quite a bit of money buying used.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:32 am to lepdagod
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Everything is wrong with that statement if their are vacant houses for sell in the US
You can’t differentiate between the words sale and sell, not to mention their and there, yet you call out people for reasonable opinions.
Please let the educated people have this discussion.
This post was edited on 1/30/26 at 9:36 am
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:32 am to Flats
quote:No idea. Do know that my life is absolutely GREAT today with the tariffs. My 401K is up 20-25% since last April when the tariffs started. Paid 2.30 for gas this week. My life is good.
What problems did I predict?
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:34 am to RollTide4547
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No idea.
That tracks. Why would you imply that I said anything at all if you have no idea?
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:40 am to RollTide4547
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Yet they claimed to know
Claimed to know what, exactly?
You don't have to be an expert to know something that is inherently self-contradictory, you just have to be acquainted with simple logic.
People claiming (and there were plenty of them here doing it) that tariffs would bring jobs back to America and also replace the income tax were claiming two results simultaneously that were self-contradictory. If the tariffs forced manufacturing back to the US, no one would be paying any significant tariffs on foreign good coming in anymore because we'd be making everything here, so there would be no way for the tariffs to raise revenue like that.
That's an example, there were others.
You don't have to be an expert on anything to figure that out.
I just got accused by SlowDumbVagina Tiger of claiming that tariffs would immediately cause issues, which is simply a lie. I never claimed that and in fact often claimed the opposite...that it would take time for the effects to show up.
So exactly what it is that the people you are referring to claimed to "know?"
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Young people want the expensive car, expensive clothes, expensive coffee, expensive night out on the town, expensive electronics, expensive college to attend on student loans and then they whine because they can't get the loan for that expensive house.
I'm with you 100% on that. We lived differently growing up and young people don't want to hear about any of that. Two things can be true at the same time. I do think there are some unique features of today's economy that they are having to deal with, but I also don't think they are the first generation of Americans to have to do that. For example, when my parents bought their first house interest rates were at 18%.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:42 am to RollTide4547
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Paid 2.30 for gas this week.
Are you under the impression that tariffs have anything to do with that?
That's what you seem to be implying; I'm just checking.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:43 am to CleverUserName
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You know why you don't? Cause they don't sell.
People who can't actually afford it wants a 4 door, 4wd, loaded out, diesel, truck to drive to their job that requires no truck to perform.
There is a construction company headquarters near my office and people show up in dress shirts driving F350s and 3500 Duramax diesels with 3 coats of polish on them to fill out excel sheets and run plans through the plotters.
You know why there isn't many domestic car models anymore? Mrs. Travel ball or cheerleading competition mom wants a 16 mpg Yukon Denali to take Konnor and Kaitlyyn around in. A car just won't cut it.
Hence part of the problem.
Those are my observations as well
I guess my point was it's not worth going through some deep dive on the price increases of single cab pickups because they're an irrelevant part of the consumer market.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:44 am to Flats
quote:I said I had no idea what you may have spewed. The fact that you say "that tracks" tells me I was right that you are a smug know-it-all...
Why would you imply that I said anything at all if you have no idea?
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:46 am to wackatimesthree
quote:I'm flat out saying that my life is better today, in no small part because of the gas prices. I have seen ZERO evidence that the evil tariffs (that many here predicted gloom and doom over) have caused prices of the things I purchase to go up.
That's what you seem to be implying; I'm just checking.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:50 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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What TF does the solid middle and upper middle class get?
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housing is up like 60% since 2019
Annnnnnnd that has to do with my question how?
Look. You want cheaper housing? Build housing with linoleum flooring, Formica countertops, regular V shaped roofs with no elaborate ridges and angles, no vaulted or tray ceilings, all 8 foot ceilings, no columns, no arches, one dining room with no extra kitchen space for an island with chars too, regular lights and not fixtures that hold 10 bulbs, fiberglass tub and shower combos, no whirlpool tubs with walk in showers, one sink in the bathrooms, plain red brick or vinyl siding, a gravel or crushed concrete driveway, no elaborate patio with a pergola, skip the gas log fireplace, regular rectangular windows, a two car carport instead of a garage, common doors for entrance doors, etc.
You know.... like the houses were built that everyone cries about were so much cheaper. Buuuut that house wouldn't impress anyone's Facebook friends.
This post was edited on 1/30/26 at 11:02 am
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:56 am to Lsupimp
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It’s just a fact that many Americans have their wealth in equity and millions consider that equity a significant part of their retirement. And yet we have to address ENTRY to home ownership. This will only be accomplished through technology and government loosening regulations. There has to be a better way and we need a visionary Elon Musk type person to accomplish that.
There's no way to preserve that paper value of homes while making entry level (in desirable areas, specifically) affordable.
Even if you somehow could on these poles, it would ultimately collapse b/c the paper value of those homes on the "Expensive" pole require the equity game and "home is an investment not a home" culture, and by decreasing the "entry" pole, you prevent them from effectively starting on that ladder. This would create a gap in the market which would pop the "Expensive" pole in time, as that particular house of cards requires constant "trading up" along that equity ladder from other parties.
This post was edited on 1/30/26 at 9:58 am
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:57 am to wackatimesthree
quote:I don't have the specifics. Just know I argued over and over with folks predicting that tariffs would cause massive price increases, that Americans were going to pay the tariffs and we were all going to be worse off for it. I didn't believe it, still don't believe it and have seen ZERO evidence of price increases.
Claimed to know what, exactly?
You also don't have to be an expert to understand that if I can make a hammer for $5 using slave labor, I'm not going to sell in in America for cost plus 10% (6.50). If the American made hammer is $29.95, I'm going to sell my hammer for $24.95 and take that additional $18.45 as more profit. When President Trump adds a 50% tariff, I don't increase my prices to $37.42 because my hammer won't sell. I keep the price of my hammer at 24.95 and eat the tariff (16.60 hammer with 50% tariff will be 24.95). Instead of taking an additional 18.45 in profit, i now take 10.10.
This post was edited on 1/30/26 at 10:04 am
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:58 am to RollTide4547
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Young people want the expensive car, expensive clothes, expensive coffee, expensive night out on the town, expensive electronics, expensive college to attend on student loans and then they whine because they can't get the loan for that expensive house.
The way olds talk about 20 somethings you’d believe that bars and restaurants didn’t exist before 2010
Posted on 1/30/26 at 10:00 am to Dire Wolf
quote:Maybe to those that haven't lived long enough to know anything. You young ins blow to damn much money on shyte you don't need.
The way olds talk about 20 somethings you’d believe that bars and restaurants didn’t exist before 2010
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