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re: Dispensationalism is a Heresy

Posted on 8/19/25 at 9:32 am to
Posted by SoWhat
Member since May 2013
623 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 9:32 am to
If you do not believe in Jesus Christ, you cannot be God's chosen people.

Thanks for your attention on this matter
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53765 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 9:36 am to
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I stated very clearly a Christian’s beliefs on Israel has no affect on salvation. But if you believe the Church replaced Israel then you’re just biblically incorrect. Christians are “grafted” into the tree of the chosen.


Many of your fellow Protestants will urge you to reconsider your first statement. They will argue to you that the Bible clearly states that our belief about the State of Israel directly controls whether we will be "blessed" or "cursed" in the eyes of God. If you are "cursed" in the eyes of God, you ain't going to Heaven, so, your statement is not on solid ground.

Second, this notion that Christians are "grafted" into the Tree of the Chosen People (the Jewish Faith and Jewish People), is not in the Bible, and I'm not aware of any Church Father who expressed that belief. I'll do some further research on that theological point because i don't want this thread to get hi jacked into a debate on religion.

I'm intrigued by this belief of yours that the whole Christian Faith and all Christians are "grafted" into The Tree of the Chosen People who are the Jewish People and the Jewish Faith. I know that Jesus and the 12 Apostles were born as Jews, so, your idea has some basis in fact. I'm not sure what that means at a theological level.

Thanks.
Posted by mudshuvl05
Member since Nov 2023
3155 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 9:46 am to
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Replacement theology is how they can just throw the baby out with the bathwater. When God says a covenant is Eternal, he means it, it is unconditional.
The only ones replacing theology are the reformers. The entirety of the New Testament explains that the church is Israel, but unfortunately there's tens of thousands of denominations that use eisegesis instead of exegesis to read their Scofield Bible so they can pick and choose. The 2000 year old Orthodox church is clear on this, and up until the 19th century dispensationalism was an unfounded theology. It's man made, and it's a heresy. History and facts don't care about what Pastor Tony at the New Redeemer Reformed Baptist Church of Non-Denominational The Eucharist is Just Symbolic Church of Christ of Dallas has to say about it. It's made up nonsense, but unfortunately that nonsense has caused us an immense amount of suffering, suffocating debt, endless wars, and millions dead to do the bidding of another country that quite literally despises the religion of this country. The state of Israel is a sacrilegious apostate blasphemer of Christ and the gospel. They are the old covenant, Christ made all things new.



Worship The Christ, not the government of Tel Aviv.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
21110 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 9:59 am to
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Stop bashing Catholics because Catholicism has nothing to do with this debate. You are trying turn this thread into another round of Catholic bashing.


So bashing Christian dispensationalist is ok to be bashed?? How Christian of you. Oh that’s right you aren’t Christian you are Catholic big difference
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86131 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:01 am to
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Stop bashing Catholics because Catholicism has nothing to do with this debate. You are trying turn this thread into another round of Catholic bashing.

This foreign policy notion that US Mid East foreign policy should be controlled by the Book of Genesis is a debate totally within Protestant circles.

I oppose the notion.


Requires boldness to take this stance from the board's leading Protestant basher
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:05 am to
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In the end, what does Israel have to do with anyone's soul and spiritual life in the US? As Christians we should be more worried about the battle within ourselves than anything that has to do with a real estate squabble on the Eastern shore of the Mediterranean


If all people adhered to this advice there would be no real estate squabble on the Eastern shore of the Mediterranean.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10481 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:06 am to
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So bashing Christian dispensationalist is ok to be bashed??


Can you plainly state your position. Practically how does it look?

I am not a Catholic ftr
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 10:08 am
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
21110 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:07 am to
Looks like the beginning of this thread
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:14 am to
People that believe in this dispensationalism don't even realized they are getting played. Zionists and "Christian" politicians (also Zionists) use it as a caudal to promote war through out the ME and extract tax dollars from willing Christians. When you see a politicians kissing the wall, bad sign. That is satan's demons doing work.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10481 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:16 am to
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Looks like the beginning of this thread


That didnt explain anything. Before continue this cage match can we at least confirm that we dont believe the same things and arent just arguing over semantics.

Do you believe the current nation state of Israel is by defacto inheritors of God's covenant?

Do you believe that ONLY those professing Christ as God are inheritors of God's covenant?
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10802 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:19 am to
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Dispensationalism is wrong but shouldn't affect any foreign policy decisions since common sense says we should be supporting Israel anyway....


FIFY
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38822 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:22 am to
He rose them up. They didn't exist before Abraham. He made them from nothing specifically to be His people.“(Quote wtt)

Am I wrong in assuming that Abraham was the first to present the Idea of a Singular God? And that Jesus added to that Idea by amending it to include a Triune Godhead? Of the which he claimed to be 1/3 of? Albeit professing to be subordinate to the ‘Father’, yet being concurrently ”One with the Father “.

The Jews rejected Jesus Christ and have paid a heavy price thereafter. With likely more pain to come.

Jesus said “I am the way, the TRUTH and the life”, and I think that it will be the Truth that appears a second time. At least “for them who look for his coming “. The rest will perceive the Empirical version of reality while the Children are “changed” into Spiritual Reality.

This Universe is either Spiritual based, or not. Though there is subjective choice to determine one’s ultimate subjective reality. To each their own.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46064 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:25 am to
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Champagne
I'm glad we have something else to agree on.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10802 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:35 am to
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I don’t know what “believes in feminism” means.


You made it pretty clear on previous threads.

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I believe that women should have the same rights as men.


Yeah, it went past that on those threads. I seem to recall you ridiculing the idea that women and men are optimized for different roles in the family and society, even though the reality of that situation is easily observable by anyone who isn't biased. And if I remember incorrectly, you can use this as an opportunity to correct me. Just post that you think women and men are optimized for different roles in the family and society and that society works best when women take care of what happens inside the household and men take care of what happens outside the household.

By the way, no one in those earlier threads was saying that women shouldn't legally be allowed to pretend to be men, just that they shouldn't. So no, we weren't talking about legal rights.

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I think you have to agree that my view is fairly straightforward and has no need of seances.


No, I don't have to agree with that. The differences between women and men were self-evident to all humanity throughout all of human history until when?

Until feminism.

It is an objective fact that feminism convinced people of things that run contrary to simple observation about men and women. The philosophy was indeed necessary in order to accomplish that. And the authors claim they got the philosophy from spirits during seances. So yeah, your (previously stated) view does need seances to get there.

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The latest “advances” in feminism seem off the rails to me.


There isn't anything happening now that wasn't written about in either 1st wave or very early 2nd wave feminism. Including transgenderism.

All you're seeing is that the ideas are being taken to their logical conclusions now, but they were always there. Like Bill Maher when he laments that the Democrats have gone crazy but can't understand that they always were. They just haven't always taken the principles behind their ideas out to their furthest logical conclusion until lately.
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 10:39 am
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10802 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:37 am to
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Am I wrong in assuming that Abraham was the first to present the Idea of a Singular God? And that Jesus added to that Idea by amending it to include a Triune Godhead? Of the which he claimed to be 1/3 of? Albeit professing to be subordinate to the ‘Father’, yet being concurrently ”One with the Father “.

The Jews rejected Jesus Christ and have paid a heavy price thereafter. With likely more pain to come.

Jesus said “I am the way, the TRUTH and the life”, and I think that it will be the Truth that appears a second time. At least “for them who look for his coming “. The rest will perceive the Empirical version of reality while the Children are “changed” into Spiritual Reality.

This Universe is either Spiritual based, or not. Though there is subjective choice to determine one’s ultimate subjective reality. To each their own.


Um. O.k.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62615 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:42 am to
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CorchJay


You're all kinds of messed up.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52610 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:47 am to
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I seem to recall you ridiculing the idea that women and men are optimized for different roles in the family and society

You have quite a memory. That’s as legit as me seeming to remember you saying you liked blowing dudes.

You either have me confused with someone else or else you’re just making that up. You couldn’t pick someone about whom that is more ridiculous. I’m married to a stay-at-home wife. We have very traditional roles in our family because both of us wanted it that way. I’m an alpha male and she is a VERY traditional woman who is a nurturer from the word “Go”.
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
14799 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:47 am to
Simply a passing observation or two [in general]

1. If obsolete, why devote the book of Hebrews in Holy Scripture? It clearly addresses the fulfillment and superiority of Jesus to the former. However, if the former is inconsequential to the present, then why voice?

2. Of course the Hebrews of old were chosen -- chosen to bear witness to the one True God

3. Is Israel - of today - of import? I would think so for I believe it is the only nation [geographical] that has been reconstituted in the annals of history. If true, that merits discussion - is ground zero for Judaism, Christianity and Islam [to discount this significance is foolhardy]

4. Today's church is a continuation and manifestation of the mind of God. We, for we are finite, parse it as we seek to understand the infinite - past, present and future
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
34849 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:48 am to
Israel is the body of believers in Christ.
Posted by Tmo Sabe
GA
Member since Mar 2022
978 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:48 am to
If it's new it ain't true. Dispensational "eschatology" is very new.
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