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re: Did Seth Rich Download DNC data on thumb-drive before his murder & FBI has 2 Seth laptops?

Posted on 12/19/22 at 9:08 pm to
Posted by TigerProwl24
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 9:08 pm to
We all know you know the truth but you can’t admit it. It’s ok bud. We would hate to come between you and your establishment overlords
Posted by tigerfan 64
in the LP
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 9:12 pm to
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I'm right.

You are gullible to the IC/FBI propaganda.
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 9:31 pm to
The indicators of compromise for this hack are well known by all of the top cybersecurity firms out there. There's more publicly available (and nongovernmental) info out there on this than any other hack that I know about. There's so much information for you to learn if you only had the interest. You just need the barest of interest.
Posted by reverendotis
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 9:38 pm to
Was anything that was hacked false or was it real communications between real people, some of which contained some awful, rotten shite that the communicators wish the "little people" hadn't seen?
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 6:07 am to
Which hoax?
Posted by Gifman
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 6:10 am to
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Will y’all please finally go read the section on this in Mueller’s report? Or in the indictment of the Russians who did it. Pretty please.


wow! you're more mentally ill than I thought. You actually believe this fan fiction?
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 6:13 am to
Objectively speaking, you might want to revisit that claim. The FBI/DOJ have put out so many known lies and half-truths on an array of matters, what makes you believe we're being told the truth on this issue?

"Muh Russian tradecraft " ring any bells?
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 6:14 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 6:47 am to
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they had a massive investigation into a hack of one of the major parties and eventually fingered a hostile foreign power.
And FTR, let's be clear, the fact the wikileaks material came from a direct physical download rather than a remote hack does not r/o other parties remotely hacking the same data. It just establishes the source of wikileaks was not a remote hack.

The FBI cover-up pertains to the latter. The FBI's "massive investigation" didn't even address it.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:02 am to
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How about crowdstrike's fake GRU tech-talk, pinning the DNC hack all on Russia: Was given to Honest Bob's team as a cover, it was a shakenbake and the CIA halped.
Crowdstrike did not necessarily fake anything with the GRU stuff. Those findings may well have been real as rain. They look real to me.

I don't know if they pursued the possibility of an on-site breach once they found evidence of remote hacks though. I believe they were solely tasked with investigating remote/external access.

IIRC, the CS investigation was completed before or just as wikileaks published its materials, and before subsequent sourcing established it did not originate from remote access.

But with the FBI taking CS work as gospel, and as "complete," the hacks provided a convenient shiny object to distract from wikileaks actual source.
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:04 am to
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On July 14, 2016, GRU officers used a Guccifer 2.0 email account to send WikiLeaks an email bearing the subject “big archive” and the message “a new attempt.”163 The email contained an encrypted attachment with the name “wk dnc link1.txt.gpg.”164 Using the Guccifer 2.0 Twitter account, GRU officers sent WikiLeaks an encrypted file and instructions on how to open it.165 On July 18, 2016, WikiLeaks confirmed in a direct message to the Guccifer 2.0 account that it had “the 1Gb or so archive” and would make a release of the stolen documents “this week.”166 On July 22, 2016, WikiLeaks released over 20,000 emails and other documents stolen from the DNC computer networks.167 The Democratic National Convention began three days later.


Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:28 am to
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Well there it is
So who was their source inside the DNC?


You may have missed this earlier, so I'll re-post it
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LINK ]A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack:
NSA experts say it wasn’t a hack at all, but a leak—an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system.

By Patrick Lawrence
August 9, 2017


These statistics are matters of record and essential to disproving the hack theory. No Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed. Compounding this contradiction, Guccifer claimed to have run his hack from Romania, which, for numerous reasons technically called delivery overheads, would slow down the speed of a hack even further from maximum achievable speeds.

What is the maximum achievable speed? Forensicator recently ran a test download of a comparable data volume (and using a server speed not available in 2016) 40 miles from his computer via a server 20 miles away and came up with a speed of 11.8 megabytes per second—half what the DNC operation would need were it a hack. Other investigators have built on this finding. Folden and Edward Loomis say a survey published August 3, 2016, by www.speedtest.net/reports is highly reliable and use it as their thumbnail index. It indicated that the highest average ISP speeds of first-half 2016 were achieved by Xfinity and Cox Communications. These speeds averaged 15.6 megabytes per second and 14.7 megabytes per second, respectively. Peak speeds at higher rates were recorded intermittently but still did not reach the required 22.7 megabytes per second.

“A speed of 22.7 megabytes is simply unobtainable, especially if we are talking about a transoceanic data transfer,” Folden said. “Based on the data we now have, what we’ve been calling a hack is impossible.” Last week Forensicator reported on a speed test he conducted more recently. It tightens the case considerably. “Transfer rates of 23 MB/s (Mega Bytes per second) are not just highly unlikely, but effectively impossible to accomplish when communicating over the Internet at any significant distance,” he wrote. “Further, local copy speeds are measured, demonstrating that 23 MB/s is a typical transfer rate when using a USB–2 flash device (thumb drive).”

Time stamps in the metadata provide further evidence of what happened on July 5. The stamps recording the download indicate that it occurred in the Eastern Daylight Time Zone at approximately 6:45 pm. This confirms that the person entering the DNC system was working somewhere on the East Coast of the United States. In theory the operation could have been conducted from Bangor or Miami or anywhere in between—but not Russia, Romania, or anywhere else outside the EDT zone. Combined with Forensicator’s findings on the transfer rate, the time stamps constitute more evidence that the download was conducted locally, since delivery overheads—conversion of data into packets, addressing, sequencing times, error checks, and the like—degrade all data transfers conducted via the Internet, more or less according to the distance involved.
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:37 am to
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Forensicator


This was a hoax.
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:37 am to
There’s a thread about immigration and the disaster it is under this admin.

Care to pop in there and show your support for team Biden?

We could use a smart leftist in there to tell us we are crazy and everything is fine at the border and this definitely is not an invasion.
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:44 am to
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Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), which argued, based on their own investigation, that the theft of the DNC e-mails was not a hack, but some kind of inside leak that did not involve Russia.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:51 am to
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This was a hoax.
The download speeds were a hoax? or was Campbell, the hoax claimant, simply mistaken and/or duplicitous?
The Campbell Conspiracy

BTW, I'm open to either possibility. But the data download speed appears real, as do the timestamps.

ETA: Katrina VanDen Heuvel and her rag "The Nation" (my source here) aren't exactly "right-leaning" pro-capitalist resources, if you get my drift.
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 8:07 am
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:55 am to
FWIW, I just stumbled on this from former CIA officer Larry Johnson and he gets into some of the technical details.
Why was FBI counter-intelligence involved in the Seth Rich case?
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 8:03 am to
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How the Forensicator fraud worked

The team that created Forensicator, including Leonard, gave away that they were not the real authors of the analysis when they inaccurately copied a Linux “Bash” script they had been sent, breaking it. This suggested that they did not write, understand, or test the script before they published. Someone else had sent the script, together with the fake conclusion they wanted discovered and published – that DNC stolen files had been copied in the US Eastern Time zone on 5 July 2016, five days before DNC employee Seth Rich was killed.

Uncritical reporters failed to spot that the Forensicator blog gave no evidence for its conclusion, which was that the data analysed was evidence of theft by local copying happening within the eastern US. The Forensicator report avoided pointing out that the time stamps examined were present only in the special London group of documents, and not in tens of thousands of other DNC files published by WikiLeaks or Guccifer 2.0.

The files were manipulated using an unusual method of file packing, forensic checks show. Because of computer clock settings, the packing operations appeared to have created “evidence” that the stolen files had been copied in the US Eastern Time zone, which includes Washington.

US Eastern Standard Time (EST) is normally five hours behind Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) – better known in Britain as Greenwich Mean Time (GMT). In summer months, clocks are set forward, placing the US Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) four hours behind UTC. The difference between a time zone and UTC is the offset. It is trivially easy for any computer user to change their time, date and time zone offset, using standard controls.

The files released in London, we found, had first been processed in this way to show timestamps for 5 July 2016. Some 13 groups had then been compressed using WinRAR 4.2. Nine additional files were compressed using 7zip. The archive, called 7dc58-ngp-van.7z, was published in this format, as a single file of 680MB.

This dual compression method was unique to the London documents. It was not used in other file dumps released by Guccifer 2.0, WikiLeaks or other publishers of stolen DNC material. The special method used two different file compression systems, 7zip and WinRAR, and required using a four-year-old, superseded version of WinRAR to obtain the required result. The way the Russians did it, the two compression operations appeared to overlap within a single 20-minute period. The tampering may have been done on 1 September, a week before the London conference.

On inspecting the full data analysis, Binney agreed: “It’s clear G2 is messing with the data. Everything G2 says is suspect and needs to be proven by other sources/means. I agree there is no evidence to prove where the download/copy was done.”

He added: “The merger of data from 5 July and 1 September ... makes all the G2 crap a fabrication ... we should only say what we can prove with evidence.”


Computer Weekly: Briton ran pro-Kremlin disinformation campaign that helped Trump deny Russian links
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 8:08 am to
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Computer Weekly: Briton ran pro-Kremlin disinformation campaign that helped Trump deny Russian links

You do know your author, Duncan Campbell, is the same Campbell addressed in my link "The Campbell Conspiracy" above. Is that your source?
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 8:10 am
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 8:22 am to
I make it a practice not to click on phishy-looking links. Not that I don’t trust you but I have my rules.

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ETA: Katrina VanDen Heuvel and her rag "The Nation" (my source here) aren't exactly "right-leaning" pro-capitalist resources, if you get my drift.


This lady is a well-known Kremlin sympathizer. The Nation is a tankie rag. Can you find a better source?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 8:24 am to
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Uncritical reporters failed to spot that the Forensicator blog gave no evidence for its conclusion
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Former NSA experts say it wasn’t a hack at all, but a leak—an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system.
See, this kind of simplistic misattribution (aka lie) characterizing NSA coding expert analysts as "uncritical reporters" appears discrediting.

And statements like this, "The merger of data from 5 July and 1 September ... makes all the G2 crap a fabrication ..." are complete nonsensical hogwash.

Do you have a more credible source?
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