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re: Did anyone catch the Jon Stewart and Oreilly debate on white privilege?

Posted on 10/19/14 at 6:44 pm to
Posted by chity
Chicago, Il
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 6:44 pm to
When John Stewart steps down and gives his show to a minority I will take him seriously.

Otherwise, he is just another blow hard liberal who treats minorities as a voting block that are to be massaged and pitied.
Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
740 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 6:49 pm to
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They can't all be as enlightened as us. One day the backwards North will catch up. They need their own Civil Rights Movement like we had here in the South.
I was including southern schools as well. Nobody on this board can tell me that 74 busts at any SEC school is more 1% of total users. I could be off, so make it 5% for some. Cause we all know Athens and Gainesville are gonna be less than two tenths of a percent.

Btw, I quickly overused the bustees. Apparently woman don't smoke in Bama. #waronwomen!!!
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 6:50 pm to
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Point to where I've used emotional arguments.
Point to any argument you've made at all. Lot's of yammering, but have you actually formed an argument here . . . . ever?
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 6:52 pm to
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Nobody on this board can tell me that 74 busts at any SEC school is more 1% of total users.
What does that matter? It was the largest bust in Tuscaloosa history, and it was mostly white college kids. And Tuscaloosa is not a white town, we have a large black ghetto criminal underclass like every other city.
Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
740 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 6:54 pm to
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i hope not but again once the violent crime rates rise on college campuses, you'll see a larger police presence. once that happens, you'll get those arrests
Time for me to use the tired conservative trope that any purchase contributes to violence and death.

Let me be clear, I'm pretty sure you are against the way we wage war on drugs. What we disagree on is who and why we wage this war. You just think sentencing for crack is different than powder by accident.
Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
740 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 6:59 pm to
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What does that matter? It was the largest bust in Tuscaloosa history, and it was mostly white college kids. And Tuscaloosa is not a white town, we have a large black ghetto criminal underclass like every other city.
Because it is very few. I repeat, I didn't suggest nobody was busted. I said very few. And in my world, 74 students is very few. 35k students and you have 74. So, as my statement said, very few know people busted and even less for dealers. Your 74 makes my point.

White kids: of course they were. That is who goes to college.

Your one example doesn't even begin to invalidate my point let alone make yours, whatever it is.
Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
740 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 7:01 pm to
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Point to any argument you've made at all. Lot's of yammering, but have you actually formed an argument here . . . . ever?
Wow. You got me.

I would think about your point if every post of yours wasn't moronic. See how that works?
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 7:01 pm to
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I said YOU. YOUR job is to convince those in this thread. Let's not forget it was you who built the strawman of convincing the world and then asked what is next. I lightened the burden to convincing around 8-20 at best.

Stalling, distracting and avoiding a recommendation for solutions is all this is.

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Crutch: I don't think you can find anything that suggests I said people are using it as a crutch. Acknowledging that the race is tipped in your favor isn't a crutch. Acknowledging results may be (and that is being kind) a result of race and our history isn't much. Pretending that it doesn't affect things is ludicrous.

This entirely abstract, non-tangible theory is designed exactly for that purpose. There's no real definition or proof other than theorized projections of a society's perceived thought pattern. It is vague in its definition because it is a trump card meant to be played when no other options or explanations exist. It can't be proven but if you convince enough people to believe it, it must be true. Hell, you can't even give me a definition and you claim to be very knowledgable on the subject.
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ACKNOWLEDGING WHITE PRIVILEGE DOESNT MEAN BLACK IRRESPONSIBILITY DOESNT EXIST.

Agreed, but the latter has much more to do with the current state of affairs than the former.
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Hanging: You wouldn't feel this way unless part of you knew it was true. That being said, nobody is asking (at least in this thread) to bear the cross, to wear the thorny crown. However, a little humility might be in order.

We've gone round and round on this. You have told me that acknowledgement of the problem is only the first step but refuse to tell me the end game or even step 2. I agree that I'm sure my whiteness has helped me before in life much in the same way someone's blackness or brownness has helped them as well.


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I mentioned this earlier, but Chris Rock nails it. Rock tells white audiences, "None of ya would change places with me! And I'm rich! That's how good it is to be white!"

He's appealing to the least common denominator much like Larry the Cable Guy.

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However, if we are looking at two people, same job, same schooling, same pay, etc. and the only difference is skin color there are very few people who would stand up to trade and even fewer who would posit that life is the same for the black guy.

This ridiculous comparison is assuming that all black people wish they were white or that they would change races immediately if given the opportunity. This brings up the myth that, to minorities, being white is the proverbial golden bullet. I can assure, it is not. Whites have to deal with the same choice/consequence dynamic as everyone else.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 7:04 pm to
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You just think sentencing for crack is different than powder by accident.

nope. it's b/c crack was associated with the violence spike in the mid-80s to mid-90s

crack isn't the only drug that has harsh sentencing for perceived contributions to violent crimes, either
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 7:08 pm to
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Wow. You got me.
Indeed.
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I would think about your point if every post of yours wasn't moronic. See how that works?
Let's try again. Lot's of yammering, but have you actually formed an argument here . . . . ever?

I do find your generalizations funny in light of the posts you choose to critique.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138918 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 7:11 pm to
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You should just give up. Throwing out bs like emotional argument. Lol. Point to where I've used emotional arguments.

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Black kid employed at McJob. Selling dope on the side. Busted. White kid in college. No job. Selling dope on the side. Busted. I think we all know who is going to face a stiffer sentence. Anyone who has been to college can tell you about rampant drug usage. And very few can tell you about students being busted. And even fewer can tell you about a dealer busted. Yet, we find very little police investigation of colleges as compared to urban areas. This isn't by accident. 20 year old black kid busted for selling dope. Thug!! Obama's son jokes. 20 year white kid in college for selling dope. Stupid. Moron. Youthful indiscretion.

Here ^^

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Lastly, you do realize that you come off as a liar when you say you ask simple, objective questions. At least be honest and admit you ask leading questions so as to back up your assertions.


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I have seen this stat many times. I'm curious as to how many of these incarcerated individuals were charged with other crimes at the same time as the drug charges were applied. Is there a correlation between the amount of minorities that sell drugs vs whites and incarceration rates? Drug dealers that have been incarcerated on drug charges are not necessarily drug users, so the drug use rate vs incarceration rate numbers could be skewed. That stat seems as though it's painted with a broad brush sometimes.


How are those not objective questions?

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Those what ifs are based on stats. The existing stats. There is nothing emotional at all. Unless you believe folks in Vegas use emotions when setting the line.


That whole example was based on your perceived assumption of what would happen. It has no basis in fact and is completely irrelevant. Although it is a microcosm of the entire white privilege theory.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 7:13 pm to
It's like a salt flat in here.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56146 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 7:24 pm to
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It's like a salt flat in here.


Void of anything of substance?
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56700 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 7:41 pm to
That, and everyone, particularly Bucky, is salty as frick.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 7:54 pm to
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Yes, Jews and Asians have higher IQ's than whites.


As far as I know, there has never been any legitimate study with these findings.
Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
740 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 11:18 pm to
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That, and everyone, particularly Bucky, is salty as frick.
Actually, I'm not. I have maintained a good sense of humor throughout. I'm not the one crying about white privilege, black people are stupid, telling people they should feel guilty, or even suggesting they do something.

This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 11:21 pm
Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
740 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 11:19 pm to
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As far as I know, there has never been any legitimate study with these findings.
As if that is an impediment to making stupid assertions on this board.
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:32 am to
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the mindset among blacks that the world is out to get them has been EXTREMELY damaging, because it prevents them from even trying.


That, coupled with "safety net" handouts, is devastating.

The people who subjugate blacks are, and always have been, progressives.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:35 am to
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The people who subjugate blacks are, and always have been, "progressives."


Let's throw some quotation marks around that last word, old sport
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138876 posts
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:03 am to
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The people who subjugate blacks are, and always have been, progressives.
Subjugation is a really sad choice of words based on the argument being made.

One could reasonably say that beginning 4-5 decades ago and running to the present, indigent Americans including indigent Blacks, have been used. They have been categorically manipulated against their common interest. Certainly the more proximate the time within that period the greater the argument.

The Moynihan Report issued in 1965 identified problems, vulnerabilities, remedies, and foretold risks of the very policies you're criticizing. That single piece of work is why no one can reasonable claim LBJ acted out of compassion in forwarding policies he did. The same can be said of present "progressives".

However, it was the three centuries of preceding subjugation which left the group vulnerable. That subjugation was in no way related to "progressives".
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