re: Did anyone catch the Jon Stewart and Oreilly debate on white privilege?

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You are seriously trying to compare being profiled in a black section of town to DWB?

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both involve judgments made based on race. can you explain the difference?

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I guess the freeways and highways are now white neighborhoods.

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so you're saying one public area is different than another?

and i'm not defending DWB. i think it's mostly overblown and in the VAST majority of cases, it's DWLR (driving while looking ratchet)

and the reason for THAT, should be self-evident

now, if you want to have a discussion about why urban-black culture is based in large part on looking ratchet? i'm willing and able

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I agree it exists as a concept. But you might as well call it "normal" privilege. Because the same thing exists in every other country for whatever the majority is, and to a higher degree than the USA, which is (by the way) the most diverse and tolerant country in the world. But there will always been some standard of normal. Children will always make fun of other children for being different. What is the plan? Just sounds like a lot of sociological bitching to me. Since it's mostly subtle subconscious cultural reactions, and not overt hate-filled racism. I don't even see the point of talking about it. Just seems divisive and counterproductive and angry and whiny

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White privilege has very little to do with being in the majority.

This isn't about kids teasing each other.

Of course it sounds like bitching. I'm shocked at your conclusion.

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I just gave you an answer. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it wasn't given.

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So discussing white privilege with non believers is the solution?

Ok, I've preached the word and everyone in the world is converted to believe WP exists. We all want to know what we can do to help end WP. What is the next step?

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both involve judgments made based on race. can you explain the difference?

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Of course I can. Being white in a black neighborhood stands out. It is odd. Good or bad it is noticeable. Driving a car while black on a freeway isn't standing out. Basically your point is that poor black people with poor vehicles look bad so they should be pulled over.

Except for black guys in really nice cars. They should be pulled over cause that is suspicious. A black guy in a nice car! Must be a drug dealer!

The stats are not your friend.

A black driver is about 31 percent more likely to be pulled over than a white driver, or about 23 percent more likely than a Hispanic driver.

Perhaps most troubling from a civil liberties perspective, nearly five percent of blacks weren't given any reason for why they were stopped, compared with 2.6 percent of whites and 3.3 percent of Hispanics.

Of course you think it is overblown. Shocking news. And the civil forfeitures that disproportionately affect blacks and Hispanics is overblown.

Ratchet: any excuse is a good excuse. Cause we all know that blacks of the 20s-70s (pre ratchet) were never hassled by the popo.

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for starters, you're asserting that a societal concept called "white privilege" exists. i have no clue if it exists by your subjective definition, because you refuse to define it. once that definition is established, more questions may flow.

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Go with any version you like. The fact that we are even discussing whether it exists is humorous. You and I both know it does.

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What can be done?

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For you, acknowledging it is more then a concept. And to stop using terrible metaphors.

I've already said the largest component of any "solution" is probably more equitable early education. This solution is unpalatable, therefore the problem can't exist.

(Alternatively, the problem does exist but the cause is, conveniently, stuff conservatives already hate. Abortions! Welfare! The rap music!)

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What are the drug use rates among races and what are the incarceration rates? You know the answer.

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and there are explanations that don't involve race. blacks outside the south are basically found in large, urban areas. these areas are also typically more violent. this leads to a larger police presence and more exposure to drug use.

that's not privilege...at least not based on race. that's an economic privilege if anything (b/c similar issues occur in white trash areas, but they aren't as congested as they tend to be in more rural, spread out areas)

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What are the homeownership rates, even after adjusting for income? You also know the answer.

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income is not the only factor in determining home ownership. what about savings rates and credit scores?

last i saw, black savings rates and credit scores are vastly inferior to whites. that's not racism, either, b/c that's all due to personal choices

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What is the result when two CVs go out with identical qualifications? Guess.

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i will give you this one, to an extent

this issue:

The correspondence study discussed above, for example, used names like “Jamal” and “Lakisha” to signal African Americans. While these names are reliably associated with their intended race groups, some critics have argued that the more distinctive African American names are also associated with lower socioeconomic status, thus confounding the effects of race and class. Indeed, mother's education is a significant (negative) predictor of a child having a distinctively African American name (Fryer & Levitt, 2004). Directly assessing these connotations/associations is thus an important first step in developing the materials necessary for a strong test of discrimination.

applies to whites with white trash names, too. typically these names indicate a lower class identification, which is what companies want to avoid

also, xenovphobia exists among all races. it's a privilege to be white around whites, black around blacks, asian around asians, etc. you can easily skew results of these tests by choosing geographic locations dominated by a race that isn't the minority race being identified. the ad hoc fallacy is ripe for these.

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ignoring the broad trends of disproportionate poverty (which are largely the result of policies enforced by the state),

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which policies? welfare?

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but will be denied up and down by a white person who doesn't want to admit white privilege is a thing.

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i still haven't even been given a precise operative definition of what "white privilege" is to say if i believe it exists or doesn't exist

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A black driver is about 31 percent more likely to be pulled over than a white driver, or about 23 percent more likely than a Hispanic driver.

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are these studies controlled for geography?

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Lets deal in reality. You do the work, then get back to me. We have several posters on record that it doesn't exist. Because I'm nice I won't burden you with the world, your state, your parish, etc. Just get those in this thread to say it exists and we can move on. Deal?

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This is starting to sound like some fricking Scientology scheme. I have to create your little army then await your next orders?

I guess you're saying that I can't get actual solutions to the problem until everyone on earth is converted? I have to be honest, this whole theory really sounds like a crutch for minorities. Something intentionally designed to hang over white peoples' heads for the next 50 years.