re: Did anyone catch the Jon Stewart and Oreilly debate on white privilege?

somebody needs to do a study where blacks get pulled over more than whites and vice versa....create "hot zones" by county or something

i will bet you some money that the disparity grows with the violent crime rate

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What are the odds blacks are more likely to be speeding or breaking the law?

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This is what a lot of it comes down to. Recognizing real patterns and applying them to individuals. Which is wrong I suppose in individual practice, but recognizing patterns is as hard-wired into us as could possibly be. Our evolutionary survival depends entirely on it. If people notice that whites are overall worse at dancing, then they may be surprised when a white guy can dance well. The inverse of that, whether culturally or in terms of our institutions, is called white privilege. But it is 100% natural, normal, and unstoppable due to human nature. Nothing can be done. If black people overall have shittier credit, lenders will notice that. In the future, if purple people overall have more deionized marlocks, then galactic inquisitors will notice that too.

Nothing can be done.

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and there are explanations that don't involve race. blacks outside the south are basically found in large, urban areas.

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And you were wondering why nobody bothers with anything but drive-bys and cherry-picks? Because that's what you rate. I put together a somewhat painstaking post with cited sources for all my claims and you respond with a dribble of unsourced diarrhea that doesn't even answer my point.

Like, let's say everything you said in that paragraph was true, and I were to concede every sentence of it. What does that say about blacks in the south? Are you seriously contending that those drug incarceration stats would be equitable for them? You and I both know the answer to that is "HELL NO." You sure as hell can't say "Yes! The South is fair as shite!"

So you can say "No," which means white privilege is a thing and your reply was a useless waste of time. Or you can say "well, you didn't prove that," and once again put the burden on me to cite every goddamn thing I say, while your conservative hivemind bullshite gets to skate by with the rigorous sourcing of "last I checked" (was the source you last checked also adjusted for income? as well as the other components of SES?) Which makes my replies a useless waste of time.

So I'm going to go to the gym instead. Maybe read the entirety of the Wikipedia entry or literally any one of the studies in my post. (If you had kept reading after the paragraph you quoted you would see that it directly addressed both your handwaves.) Or don't. For all I know you can't fricking read at all.

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I have seen this stat many times. I'm curious as to how many of these incarcerated individuals were charged with other crimes at the same time as the drug charges were applied. Is there a correlation between the amount of minorities that sell drugs vs whites and incarceration rates? Drug dealers that have been incarcerated on drug charges are not necessarily drug users, so the drug use rate vs incarceration rate numbers could be skewed. That stat seems as though it's painted with a broad brush sometimes.

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Lets change it up.

Black kid employed at McJob. Selling dope on the side. Busted.

White kid in college. No job. Selling dope on the side. Busted.

I think we all know who is going to face a stiffer sentence.

Anyone who has been to college can tell you about rampant drug usage. And very few can tell you about students being busted. And even fewer can tell you about a dealer busted. Yet, we find very little police investigation of colleges as compared to urban areas. This isn't by accident.

20 year old black kid busted for selling dope. Thug!! Obama's son jokes.

20 year white kid in college for selling dope. Stupid. Moron. Youthful indiscretion.

Where do you live? In New Orleans black teenagers murder people daily- chance of getting caught slim to none, conviction possible, out on the street in a few years likely.

New Orleans White teenager kills someone- Still doing research to find out if and when this has happened.

White Privilege- Am I getting it now. There must be something like Wisconsin privilege, or Yankee privilege.

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This is starting to sound like some fricking Scientology scheme. I have to create your little army then await your next orders? I guess you're saying that I can't get actual solutions to the problem until everyone on earth is converted? I have to be honest, this whole theory really sounds like a crutch for minorities. Something intentionally designed to hang over white peoples' heads for the next 50 years.

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Im beginning to realize that white privilege is far more than you can attack since reading comprehension is so poor.

I said YOU. YOUR job is to convince those in this thread. Let's not forget it was you who built the strawman of convincing the world and then asked what is next. I lightened the burden to convincing around 8-20 at best.

Crutch: I don't think you can find anything that suggests I said people are using it as a crutch. Acknowledging that the race is tipped in your favor isn't a crutch. Acknowledging results may be (and that is being kind) a result of race and our history isn't much. Pretending that it doesn't affect things is ludicrous.

ACKNOWLEDGING WHITE PRIVILEGE DOESNT MEAN BLACK IRRESPONSIBILITY DOESNT EXIST.

Hanging: You wouldn't feel this way unless part of you knew it was true. That being said, nobody is asking (at least in this thread) to bear the cross, to wear the thorny crown. However, a little humility might be in order.

I mentioned this earlier, but Chris Rock nails it. Rock tells white audiences, "None of ya would change places with me! And I'm rich! That's how good it is to be white!"

Now, I slightly disagree, as I would change places with him because his level of wealth/fame/etc. is pretty much sheltered from the vagaries of day to day life, let alone racism. There is no doubt he still faces some, but I doubt he spends time waiting while trying to hail a cab as he most likely travels by limo.

However, if we are looking at two people, same job, same schooling, same pay, etc. and the only difference is skin color there are very few people who would stand up to trade and even fewer who would posit that life is the same for the black guy.

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Maybe read the entirety of the Wikipedia entry or literally any one of the studies in my post.

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why do you presume that i haven't read those studies, or similar ones?

this ain't my first rodeo

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If you had kept reading after the paragraph you quoted you would see that it directly addressed both your handwaves

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not at all. the war on drugs link just talks about population rates v. incarceration rates and the WOD (not that i entirely disagree with the point)

it doesn't address geography or companion crimes leading to a larger police presence at all

you linked a housing study, that only costs $36 to buy. now i've read similar studies, and the abstract doesn't address my point at all, but i presume you read the entire study and paid the $36 in the time it took to read my post and respond?

if i didn't read your link on discrimination, how did i get the quoted text in my response? magic? osmosis?

now i didn't look at all of the others, but:

- your "bus" study involved Austraila, so it has no application to America or our culture. hell we don't even have many public bus systems

- i did glance at the "car sales" study's conclusion and it seemed that it was a major reach of extrapolation just based on the subject matter. perhaps there is data that suggests that blacks and/or women will pay more for the same cars? it's not racist to play to your markets and maximize profits based on behavioral patterns. that's also from June 1995

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Seriously, is anyone on this board really going to argue that there isn't widespread drug usage in college with very little police arrests?

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i hope not

but again

once the violent crime rates rise on college campuses, you'll see a larger police presence. once that happens, you'll get those arrests

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I don't want to get into your hypothetical, emotional argument filled with what-if's and I'd-bet's. I'm talking about the existing statistics. This also brings up a great point about whites discussing minorities. I asked a simple, objective question regarding crime statistics and I got some emotionally charged response that says whites believe that minorities should serve jail time for a certain crime while whites should go free.

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You should just give up. Throwing out bs like emotional argument. Lol. Point to where I've used emotional arguments.

Those what ifs are based on stats. The existing stats. There is nothing emotional at all. Unless you believe folks in Vegas use emotions when setting the line.

Lastly, you do realize that you come off as a liar when you say you ask simple, objective questions. At least be honest and admit you ask leading questions so as to back up your assertions.