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re: Despite Everything You Think You Know, America Is on the Right Track

Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:25 pm to
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:25 pm to
A global recession is already underway as supply chain shortages, a European energy crisis, internal unrest in China, and a MASSIVE fertilizer shortage will combine to seriously stress huge swaths of the globe. It is likely that we see the German, Chinese, and UK economies effectively collapse.

Turkey, Iran, Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, and Pakistan are all experiencing hyper inflation or trending that direction. Meanwhile, the third world will experience serious food shortages and famine on account of the fertilizer shortage.

The first world will experience higher prices, but will be able to afford them. However, Africa and the Middle East is completely f$&ked, and the refuge crisis this will trigger will make the Syrian refugee crisis look like a lost tour group.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 10:45 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:38 pm to
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You were making a point about lynching black people for spurious reasons back in the day

I was countering with a point about black people and car jackings in present times
Interesting. In the former, local, county and state officials/government looked the other way and/or actively participated.

In the latter, it's a felony, punishable by long prison terms. And I have yet to see families bring the kids out to sit on the sidewalk and take in a nice carjacking.

For all the hand-wringing about social media, the old-timers seemed to not be so hot themselves when it came to media...literally, happily posing in front of murdered bodies.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299440 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:39 pm to
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Interesting. In the former, local, county and state officials/government looked the other way

Exactly what DAs are doing right now.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:40 pm to
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A global recession is already underway as supply chain shortages, a European energy crisis, internal unrest in China, supply chain issues, and a MASSIVE fertilizer shortage will combine to seriously stress huge swaths of the globe. It is likely that we see the German, Chinese, and UK economies effectively collapse.
Somebody's been listening to Zeihan.

Definitely some turbulent waters ahead. But, as you said, the US is in the catbird's seat...if we can stop distracting ourselves with silly culture arguments that barely even register in the real world. To listen to Twitter, blacks and whites can barely exist in the same room together. I ask: is that the lived reality of anyone here? All I ever see is comity and good citizenship in real life in my interactions.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28132 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:57 pm to
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And I have yet to see families bring the kids out to sit on the sidewalk and take in a nice carjacking.


Maybe they should just twerk while an ambulance is trying to help someone.

You rattle off bad things as if they defined the country. There was racism, there were also a lot fewer single moms with multiple baby daddies. Just because we don't lynch white or black people any more doesn't mean everything is better.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138876 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:47 pm to
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Interesting. In the former, local, county and state officials/government looked the other way and/or actively participated.
As Soros prosecutors are doing now.
That makes neither right.

But current events should probably be more important to current people than a Minnesota atrocity committed >100years ago.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28132 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:57 pm to
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But current events should probably be more important to current people than a Minnesota atrocity committed >100years ago.



Some people like to chew on certain aspects of the past like a cud, or define everything through the lens of race. We are better off in some ways, worse off in others. The overall trend doesn't look good right now unless perhaps you're part of the group the government favors.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 10:59 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70464 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:12 pm to
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I ask: is that the lived reality of anyone here?


I used to teach middle/high school in the inner city. Twitter may be an exaggeration, but it’s not that far off.

I had to dodge gunshots less than 100ft from me in New Orleans only a week ago. shite’s bad, baw.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 11:13 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:52 pm to
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You rattle off bad things as if they defined the country. There was racism, there were also a lot fewer single moms with multiple baby daddies. Just because we don't lynch white or black people any more doesn't mean everything is better.
There was vast ugliness in the country for centuries. We are better than we used to be. Of course that does not mean we are perfect or that there isn't bad ugliness to deal with seriously at present. But most things are better.

This is like when boomers decry people wearing shorts and other informal clothing in venues they didn't used to as somehow the fall of civilization. Just because everyone was wearing hats and sport coats in breadlines in the Depression doesn't mean the Depression was better.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:54 pm to
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As Soros prosecutors are doing now.
That makes neither right.
Yeah, they're equivalent. Quasi-legalized lynching vs some dumb frick "progressive" prosecutors that are already facing backlash for their stupidity.

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But current events should probably be more important to current people than a Minnesota atrocity committed >100years ago.
The relevance of listing things from the past is to show there has always been brutal ugliness. It's ahistorical and entirely lacking in self-awareness to somehow act as if we are at the end. And that's before you account for how much more dominant we are economically now.
Posted by Concerned Senior
New England
Member since Oct 2020
771 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 4:13 am to
My misery will INCREASE when I get my next electric bill. Thanks to huge rate hikes I anticipate my bill to be right up there with the price of eggs, butter, meat and Hellman's mayo.
Posted by Joeybd
Member since Oct 2022
544 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 5:01 am to
Upon reading the article the author makes a very strong case for the title of his short essay.

He mentioned early on that he is writing about America's subjective opinions vs America's objective measures.

Objectively using real data buttresses his point that America is on the right track in a broader national analysis.

Subjectively we all measure where we are socially, politically, religiously by our own internal biases and lived experiences.

In a globally connected news infrastructure, information passes at the speed of light and trying to pall park an assessment about near future events is similar to reading your own palm to discern future world outcomes.

Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28110 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 6:20 am to
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Its not complicated, they hate the America we're trying to create.


FIFY
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 6:21 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95637 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:32 am to
The Atlantic?
Posted by Tmcgin
BATON ROUGE
Member since Jun 2010
6557 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:37 am to
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My misery will INCREASE



Sorry for your victimhood
Should we have a telethon for Trumpers...the
misery is real out there
I'm good for $20
Posted by Stonehog
Platinum Rewards Club
Member since Aug 2011
34146 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:41 am to
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I'm trying to buy a house


Not a smart move right now, keep renting.

Contrary to what a BANK will tell you, a home that you live in is a liability, not an asset.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138876 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:01 am to
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Yeah, they're equivalent. Quasi-legalized lynching vs some dumb frick "progressive" prosecutors that are already facing backlash for their stupidity.
An interesting (and highly uninformed) dismissal.

Lynching was an illegal usurpation of our legal system. It was awful. The person lynched was 3X more likely to be Black than White. So there was a racial disproportionality and victimization.

Lynching was indeed sometimes a public spectacle ... as was criminal execution. It was a different time. Murders were sometimes deemed "justified." That does not excuse what occurred in anyway, but it sure as hell doesn't excuse similar behavior today.

Nor does it excuse overlooking today's actual problems and behaviors. e.g., Do Black lives really matter to you in 2023? ... as much as in 1923? At present, Black-on-Black murder in this country accounts for more innocent loss of life over a six month period than do all the racial lynchings in US history, combined. You seem disinterested. It's why I ask the question.

Yet the same Soros prosecutors affecting the unequal meting of justice I've noted, are releasing criminals responsible for our inner city holocaust. You really need to bang your partisan head against the wall, and wake yourself up!

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This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 8:08 am
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:48 am to
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Some people like to chew on certain aspects of the past like a cud, or define everything through the lens of race.
Nah. What really happens with EVERY generation is they clutch their pearls and wish it was "like the old days". That's why I'm depicting the old days as not so hunky dory - and it was along many more lines than just race.

Pedophilia is another one. All of this shite that is coming to light now about the Catholic Church was the de facto norm for decades/centuries...and back in the day, society was actually MORE tolerant of it than they are now. On the frontier and in rural settings, child abuse was rampant. AMERICAN kids worked in filthy, dirty factories at very young ages. etc. You can leave race entirely out of this and list quite the picture of ugliness.

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The overall trend doesn't look good right now unless perhaps you're part of the group the government favors.
Like with all predictions, people have a recency bias and like to take the very recent past and project it indefinitely into the future. MY prediction is that we are at or past peak demand for "extreme political speech and/or wokeness" and are in for an era of relative blandness and moderation over the next 5-10 years.

But even failing all of this, people seem intent on wanting things to be bad. I ask you all again: how bad is your daily life really? I personally NEVER notice a difference, no matter who is president. What I see is American citizens living together and helping each other in small ways every single day. My suggestion is to turn the fricking news about Portland, Oregon, off and go live your lives with your loved ones. Who gives a shite what those crazy frickers do?
Posted by GWM
Member since Aug 2021
1565 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 11:29 am to
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Things are better now than they have ever been.


Please explain to us how you rationalize your statement listed above.....
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34241 posts
Posted on 1/16/23 at 11:38 am to
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For all the hand-wringing about social media, the old-timers seemed to not be so hot themselves when it came to media...literally, happily posing in front of murdered bodies.

So the number of views on social media of criminal behavior isnt the same to you?

You seem to be off in your ability to contrast historical limitations

Those people wont have turned out for that lynching, if they could have just watched in on twitter. You get that right?
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