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re: Denver shooting victim identified as pro-cop vet, shot in front of son

Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:21 am to
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128844 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:21 am to
Maybe the news producer was yelling the insults. That’s the first photo I’ve seen where it appears Keltner is engaging the producer.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:24 am to
An open-handed slap justifies deadly force in hanks world
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139027 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:24 am to
quote:

Have you forgotten the prior assault on Dolloff by Keltner.
A) As Bass said, you seem to assume the "assault" from Keltner happened ex nihilo.
B) More importantly you seem to disregard the fact Keltner had disengaged and retreated.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38457 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:26 am to
“He hit him hard enough to knock his glasses and hat off”

Yeah... so my 5 month old cousin did the same thing last week.... guess he’s stronger than he realizes.
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14792 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:30 am to
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AFTER Keltner had hit him with enough force to knock his hat and glasses from his head.




Was he legally carrying concealed with a permit? If he was, he should have known that THE VERY LAST THING he should be doing is involving himself in a situation like this.

At any rate, he'll have a hard time convincing anyone that this was a case of the gravest extreme. He put himself there.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139027 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:38 am to
quote:

“He hit him hard enough to knock his glasses and hat off”

Yeah... so my 5 month old cousin did the same thing last week.... guess he’s stronger than he realizes.
Right.
Another tell is the slap didn't displace Dolloff at all. He was standing in virtually the same spot as he drew and fired. Meanwhile, Keltner retreated.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38457 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:38 am to
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It’s a pejorative and you know it.


Eh. I give random people names all the time.

Trailer park Tammy. Big boy bubba. Tireek the thug, fat frick frank, etc.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157948 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:47 am to
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I called the man “Bubba” because I did not yet know his name.


Everyone you don’t know...you call them Bubba?

Lol

This should be good.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38457 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:51 am to
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Everyone you don’t know...you call them Bubba?


I give pretty much everyone that catches my eye a name

Usually in alliteration as seen above

I take it that’s not normal internal monologue shite eh?
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56146 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:00 am to
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AFTER Keltner had hit him with enough force to knock his hat and glasses from his head.


You've already said the shooter instigated touching the victim first and you say the victim slapped him back in retaliation. You are wallowing in your own argument.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127400 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:04 am to
His hand is reaching forward across the body of the victim. There is no reason for it to be that far forward. None. That is no speculation on my part.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127400 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:06 am to
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Fantasy.
You can see the slide of the pistol is to the rear and a spent casing is in the air.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:10 am to
quote:

quote:

I called the man “Bubba” because I did not yet know his name.
Everyone you don’t know...you call them Bubba?
It is hardly an insult in my part of the world. I know several folks called Bubba.

It is a nickname for a goid ol’ boy. Keltner looked the part. You people go out of your way to look for insults where they do not exist. Who else does that?
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127400 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:10 am to
Victim and assailant tend to work quite well.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157948 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:13 am to
I don’t believe you.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:16 am to


This picture adds much to the story.

It looks like maybe the reporter said something that annoyed Keltner, Dolloff stepped between them, and Keltner hit him for it.
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 9:28 am
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157948 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:20 am to
Stepped between them and laid his hands on him. You missed that part.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127400 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:24 am to
It adds a lot of detail to the story.

Does not permit the assailant to use deadly force. Even if he was assaulted by the victim.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:31 am to
quote:

It adds a lot of detail to the story.

Does not permit the assailant to use deadly force. Even if he was assaulted by the victim.
Agreed, not standing alone. Lots of other factors come into play.

It DOES certainly seem to negate the notion that Dolloff was attempting to take the gas sprayer from Keltner. He DID seem to put his hands on Keltner, in the sense of "woah, slow down buddy."

It looks like maybe he got hit for trying to stop a confrontation between Keltner and the reporter, and things went downhill from there.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127400 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:50 am to
Dolloff, his LLC, Pinkerton and 9News are all in for a very unpleasant 2021.
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