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re: Denver shooting victim identified as pro-cop vet, shot in front of son
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:55 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:55 am to NC_Tigah
Was Mr Keltner also carrying and was the shooter attempting to disarm him, rather than grab the cab of mace? There appears to be an object inside victim’s vest on his left side. Saw this theory floated yesterday on the chans or theDonald, can’t remember exactly where now. It was reported that police recovered two firearms from the scene.
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Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:56 am to lachellie
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:59 am to lachellie
Highly doubt the assailant was grabbing for any gun as that would have been a lethal escalation that would have warranted drawing said gun on part of the victim, but the victim may have really not wanted to escalate further and avoiding pulling any gun, I guess
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:03 am to AggieHank86
quote:That's a hell of a shark you just jumped.
It DOES certainly seem to negate the notion that Dolloff was attempting to take the gas sprayer from Keltner.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:08 am to NC_Tigah
Is he now Fonzie? 
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:08 am to NC_Tigah
Oh boy. So soy bitch wasn't trying to take biker bro's mace. He got slapped for intervening.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:13 am to nerd guy
Definitely looks like he got slapped for laying hands on someone. Deserved.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:14 am to Tiguar
Bitch got bitch slapped and killed a man because he’s a bitch. Sad.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:15 am to Tiguar
quote:+1
Definitely looks like he got slapped for laying hands on someone.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:17 am to AggieHank86
quote:
It DOES certainly seem to negate the notion that Dolloff was attempting to take the gas sprayer from Keltner. He DID seem to put his hands on Keltner, in the sense of "woah, slow down buddy."
Good gosh, you’re a tool
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 10:18 am
Posted on 10/12/20 at 11:36 am to Wolfhound45
quote:Agreed
Dolloff, his LLC, Pinkerton and 9News are all in for a very unpleasant 2021.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 12:33 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
It looks like maybe the reporter said something that annoyed Keltner, Dolloff stepped between them, and Keltner hit him for it.
OR it looks like Doloff initiated first physical contact while victim’s mace hand is at his side and free hand is outstretched. Keltner’s feet are planted, non-lethal weapon is not engaged, free hand appears to be open palm, not a fist. Doloff’s hat and glasses are still in place so this is before he was slapped. Why is he initiating physical contact?
In every picture and video I’ve seen thus far, it looks like Keltner was making a concerted effort to keep the mace/pepper spray at his side until he was drawn on.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 12:36 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I think you may be trying to say that I made a leap of logic.
hell of a shark you just jumped
Idiom is hard.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 12:40 pm to nerd guy
Again why are those two in the proximity of the victim, considering the victim walked to that location before the shooting.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 12:44 pm to Wolfhound45
One issue that we have not addressed is the burden of proof on an affirmative defense.
In some states, the DEFENDANT has the burden of convincing the jury of the elements of his defense, beyond a reasonable doubt (BRD). In other states, the STATE has the burden of DISPROVING the elements of a Defendant's affirmative defense, BRD.
Colorado seems to fall into the latter category.
If the Defendant had the burden, Dolloff would probably be in big trouble here. But he doesn't. The State has the burden, and BRD is a tough row to hoe especially where he sequence is as ambiguous as this one seems to be.
"Patriot" homers will likely see it differently.
In some states, the DEFENDANT has the burden of convincing the jury of the elements of his defense, beyond a reasonable doubt (BRD). In other states, the STATE has the burden of DISPROVING the elements of a Defendant's affirmative defense, BRD.
Colorado seems to fall into the latter category.
If the Defendant had the burden, Dolloff would probably be in big trouble here. But he doesn't. The State has the burden, and BRD is a tough row to hoe especially where he sequence is as ambiguous as this one seems to be.
"Patriot" homers will likely see it differently.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 12:49 pm to AggieHank86
You, of course, are totally immune to the effects of bias and homerism.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 12:51 pm to ninthward
quote:This really seems pretty clear.
Again why are those two in the proximity of the victim, considering the victim walked to that location before the shooting.
Dolloff was escorting a reporter. Kelton had JUST walked away from a loud and profane confrontation with the BLM guy, and it seems that the reporter was trying to get comment from him about that confrontation.
For whatever reason, Kelton was not in a talkative mood and hit/slapped Dolloff for stepping between him and the reporter (and, yes, placing hands on him in the process). Things went downhill from there.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 12:53 pm to Tiguar
quote:Immune? Of course not.
You, of course, are totally immune to the effects of bias and homerism.
But three years of law school tends to (at a minimum) make you aware of it and trains you to ignore it.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 12:55 pm to AggieHank86
Three years of law school also trains you to argue losing cases for the sake of arguing.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 12:55 pm to AggieHank86
Reporter or producer?
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