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re: Denver shooting victim identified as pro-cop vet, shot in front of son

Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:00 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:00 am to
quote:

I was the first person to post the text of the Colorado self-defense statute yesterday. Moron.
With Keltner clearly backing away as Dolloff drew and leveled his pistol, self-defense will be a tough claim. Second degree murder, rather than 1st degree, would seem to be the appropriate charge here.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:00 am to
It’s a little more ambiguous. But only because we don’t have immediate video and the assault was clear in the Rittenhouse case.

I don’t think it’s going to end up very ambiguous.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:02 am to
Yeah. But you did your typical Hank thing where you jumped in to correct a semantic point and then asserted yourself on the entire opposite side of the argument just because you’re a contrarian.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:02 am to
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you can clearly see that at the point that the pepper spray was deployed the shooters weapon has ALREADY been fired.
Fantasy.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:03 am to
(d) calling you out on your bullshite and you cannot stand it.

You corrected a semantic point then decided to die on the hill of it.

You cannot sit there and be like “I was just posting the law bro” when you argued for two pages on the definition of “great bodily harm” and then bailed the frick out of the discussion saying you’re playing Minecraft after you got owned.


You strike me as an individual who didn’t have enough people in their life to tell them “you’re acting like a fricking moron” because the possibility you’re actually a jackass is completely outside of your realm of possibilities
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 8:05 am
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:04 am to
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He was reaching for his weapon while the victim has his hands at his side.
Yes.

AFTER Keltner had hit him with enough force to knock his hat and glasses from his head.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38457 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:05 am to
Again, you keep saying this but....
quote:

Yes. AFTER Keltner had hit him with enough force to knock his hat and glasses from his head.


A toddler can hit a grown man hard enough to do this.

Let’s not act like this requires the strength of a body builder
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:08 am to
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AFTER Keltner had hit him with enough force to knock his hat and glasses from his head.
After Dolloff had attempted to grab the mace.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128843 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:10 am to
And why did Keltner hit Dolloff?
We don’t know. The photos don’t show it.
So there’s a degree of ambiguity here.

But if I was a betting man, I’d guess that Dolloff yelled some insults at Keltner and/or engaged him physically - trying to take his mace? That’s based on his mom’s account of the situation which she received from Keltner’s son who was there.

Then we have a pretty good idea of the rest of the sequence.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:11 am to
quote:

murderer was drawing his weapons so early that I would actually argue the victim was using pepper spray in defense of perceiving the guy to be drawing a weapon
Agreed. Just as the firearm was drawn in response to the physical assault by Keltner.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:14 am to
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because he was bitched slapped for being a bitch.
I'd bet that isn't the last time the bitch feels his cheeks getting slapped.
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 8:15 am
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128843 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:14 am to
And the physical assault from Keltner happened ex nihilo.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:14 am to
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Making sweeping assertions with less facts than those you denigrate,
I called the man “Bubba” because I did not yet know his name.

Moron.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128843 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:15 am to
It’s a pejorative and you know it.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:16 am to
Calm down, hank. It may be time for you to go kill more bunnies before you start shooting people for thinking differently.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:16 am to
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Is there a reason you gloss over the fact that a can of mace doesn’t induce a fear of death or GBH in a reasonable person?
Have you forgotten the prior assault on Dolloff by Keltner.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128843 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:17 am to
A slap isn’t GBH either. Statutorily or otherwise.

This is why you’re a dishonest bitch. You pretend you’re just correcting a misstatement of the law. But you can’t help yourself. You really just want to argue.
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 8:18 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139022 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:18 am to
quote:

But if I was a betting man, I’d guess that Dolloff yelled some insults at Keltner and/or engaged him physically
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38457 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:19 am to
If a toddler knocks my glasses off I can punt that fricker then? I mean after all that’s assault according to you
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14792 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:21 am to
Progfilth strikes again....And Biden campaign will deny it happened, again.
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