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re: Democrats excited for Americans to switch to electric vehicles to avoid gas prices??
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:41 am to PoLy
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:41 am to PoLy
An electric vehicle is completely a luxury item. It's like saying ... can't afford bread? Go eat cake instead.
I wanted to buy the F-150 Electric model just for the pure frick of it but after earnestly researching, there would be nowhere to recharge it. Even in areas where there are a lot of charging stations (the West Coast), there are still not nearly enough even if you count the ones that are functioning. A third of them are never functioning and just can't be used (like a McDonald's ice cream machine).
It's just not a viable option and likely won't be for another 200 years or so.
Honestly, gas prices now are not still near to being high enough to incentivize going green with vehicles.
If you're really poor, you are really fricked. Moral of the story, avoid being poor.
I wanted to buy the F-150 Electric model just for the pure frick of it but after earnestly researching, there would be nowhere to recharge it. Even in areas where there are a lot of charging stations (the West Coast), there are still not nearly enough even if you count the ones that are functioning. A third of them are never functioning and just can't be used (like a McDonald's ice cream machine).
It's just not a viable option and likely won't be for another 200 years or so.
Honestly, gas prices now are not still near to being high enough to incentivize going green with vehicles.
If you're really poor, you are really fricked. Moral of the story, avoid being poor.
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 11:44 am
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:43 am to VADawg
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Taxpayers pay most of those bills
If you're driving an EV chances are you're upper middle class and paying plenty of taxes
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:44 am to PoLy
And all of this infrastructure that is already in place to be able to handle the load of making power and charging vehicles. America is ready aren’t we? I couldn’t find a charge station if I had to go 300 miles.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:44 am to TexanTiger68
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It's just not a viable option and likely won't be for another 200 years or so.
It's a viable option if you have a garage equipped with a fast charger
But you're right about them being luxury items
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:50 am to Powerman
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It's a viable option if you have a garage equipped with a fast charger
True if you don't range far. I wanted it for reasonable trips a few hundred miles away and for goofing off on my property but it's not really good for that. Seems to only be good for around town trips. If that's the case, it's still better to have a small gas-powered car.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:50 am to chili pup
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I couldn’t find a charge station if I had to go 300 miles.
Yep.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 1:55 pm to chili pup
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I couldn’t find a charge station if I had to go 300 miles.
After reading this I just happen to look up on Plug In America to see how many stations were in my area. There's a few and some are marked free. Who the hell is paying the bill on these charging stations that are free.
These were comments:
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Solid location off of interstate. Can’t complain about free energy. All empty spots on a Friday morning.
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Great free charge point between Baton Rouge and Metairie! Topping off before my commute home. Must have chargepoint app to use chargers.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 2:55 pm to PoLy
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I can’t afford to buy and electric scooter!!
May be time to start owning horse & buggies again soon.....thanks Joe!
Posted on 6/8/22 at 3:04 pm to Bearcat90
From an Electrician on homes and capacity
From what I see on a near daily basis as a master electrician, only about half the houses in this country are capable of having an EV charging plug installed. This is due to breaker boxes (Old style fuse panels are out of the conversation) being out of date meaning, No suitable modern high-amp breaker is available. Then you have breaker panels that are already fully populated and a sub panel needs to be installed. Another issue is that of those panels that require a sub-panel, many of the older breaker panels do not have the provision to add the lugs for a sub-panel. So the reality is, A horrendous number of homes will require the installation of a brand new breaker panel. Having said this, many homes requiring a new panel will also require massive rewiring jobs to bring the install up to code. Electricians in today's world are not going to risk losing their license or getting sued playing "Tricks" for a customer and doing work under the table. The homeowner, with all his or her great intentions will always toss the electrician under the bus.
So... For those people that need a new panel and associated wiring, figure to add on between 8 - 12K to the cost of the E.V.
Many never ask the real question. What's this REALY going to cost me?
From what I see on a near daily basis as a master electrician, only about half the houses in this country are capable of having an EV charging plug installed. This is due to breaker boxes (Old style fuse panels are out of the conversation) being out of date meaning, No suitable modern high-amp breaker is available. Then you have breaker panels that are already fully populated and a sub panel needs to be installed. Another issue is that of those panels that require a sub-panel, many of the older breaker panels do not have the provision to add the lugs for a sub-panel. So the reality is, A horrendous number of homes will require the installation of a brand new breaker panel. Having said this, many homes requiring a new panel will also require massive rewiring jobs to bring the install up to code. Electricians in today's world are not going to risk losing their license or getting sued playing "Tricks" for a customer and doing work under the table. The homeowner, with all his or her great intentions will always toss the electrician under the bus.
So... For those people that need a new panel and associated wiring, figure to add on between 8 - 12K to the cost of the E.V.
Many never ask the real question. What's this REALY going to cost me?
Posted on 6/8/22 at 3:08 pm to PoLy
Can buy an ol clunker to drive around in for about $500.
Need about $12k to buy an old Nissan leaf... and because it's used, ya gotta worry about the wear and tear on the battery. If that battery starts fricking up, ya gotta spend over $3k to get it replaced. And the leaf is fricking small. Most of the cheap electric cars are very small. I used the leaf because I'm going by my neighbor's struggles. He bought a 2014 leaf after doing a lot of research on cheap used electric cars. And he still bitches about it, so I absorbed some of his bitching.
Need about $12k to buy an old Nissan leaf... and because it's used, ya gotta worry about the wear and tear on the battery. If that battery starts fricking up, ya gotta spend over $3k to get it replaced. And the leaf is fricking small. Most of the cheap electric cars are very small. I used the leaf because I'm going by my neighbor's struggles. He bought a 2014 leaf after doing a lot of research on cheap used electric cars. And he still bitches about it, so I absorbed some of his bitching.
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 6/8/22 at 3:14 pm to dr
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when there are may EVs, the grid won't handle it
FIFY
Posted on 6/8/22 at 3:15 pm to PoLy
72 hrs at the house yo charge this
Posted on 6/8/22 at 3:23 pm to TeaParty
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From an Electrician on homes and capacity
And that's probably just for a slow-charger, correct? The fast-chargers run on higher voltage / amps, no?
Posted on 6/8/22 at 3:25 pm to PoLy
Democrats and their families have millions invested in green energy. They care about themselves.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 4:26 pm to Powerman
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It's not free to charge at those places. The stores are making money by allowing the charging stations to exist. So you aren't subsidizing anything...
Ohhhh I see...duh....I guess I thought the cost of goods I pay for in the store isn't helping pay for the costs of those charging stations. I guess cause I never use them, though I park in the spots, I wouldn't have seen that the the users check in and then get charged an EV charging surcharge at check out. Learn something new everyday. thanks bud
Posted on 6/8/22 at 4:27 pm to TeaParty
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So... For those people that need a new panel and associated wiring, figure to add on between 8 - 12K to the cost of the E.V.
Many never ask the real question. What's this REALY going to cost me?
Good info. thanks. I saw a compliant article/tweet/whatever where the person did no research into this before getting their EV. Funny stuff.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 4:35 pm to LSUnation78
The end-game is the “government Hurd policy” to push everyone into trains, buses and subways. And that infrastructure is wayyy off down the road, but that’s their end game. You either ride your bike, walk or ride public transportation. All along.”, you’ll have your social credit score & cyber currency bank account. Soonest you start speaking freedom outloud, they shut down your bank accounts and strip your public transportation access, thus, leaving you restricted to traveling and “spreading the gospel of freedom”
To other communities. These people are sick & evil!
To other communities. These people are sick & evil!
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