- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Dave Smith and Douglas Murray on Joe Rogan's show
Posted on 4/11/25 at 2:29 pm to bayoubengals88
Posted on 4/11/25 at 2:29 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:
We like who we are. Hard to argue with that!
Yeah, I like being informed and actually exchanging ideas. You and Murray like to claim the intellectual high ground without having to defend your positions.
1
Posted on 4/11/25 at 2:43 pm to PQuin
quote:
Thank you for confirming my suspicion that you have no fricking clue what you’re talking about.
I mean to be fair, Murray kinda proved Smith doesn’t really have a ton of actual experience with any of the shite he’s basically leveled up his comedy career by being an podcasting pundit discussing. Smith is essentially a bro who reads shite online.
He now gets to do the podcasting circuit as this perceived voice of expertise even if it isn’t formally stated in his title. Guys like Murray have forgotten more history, policy, and geopolitics than smith could ever hope to learn. Yeah he came across like a bit of a prick at times but he was on a completely different level of understanding of the topics. Especially in describing Hamas and Gaza. Eventually Smith just resorts to a bunch of “like” and emo responses.
It was also pretty clear Rogan was running cover for his comedian buddy who was kind of in over his head in the debate.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 4/11/25 at 2:46 pm to BTROleMisser
quote:
You might want to watch more of his content then. I know he's a Jew but there are some misguided Jews that blame Israel for everything and go out of their way to prove they're not "zionists." He's one of those.
perfect description of Smith. While he only criticizes Israel and never Jews in general, he absolutely runs cover for actual anti-semites like Jake Shields and Candace Owens. Smith had an entire podcast discussing and partially condemning antisemitism, but in that same podcast said he didn't think Owens and Shields are antisemitic.
In regard to the Israel/palestine conflict, Smith's general premise is that Israel bombs a building which is inhabited by women and children in addition to the terrorist target, therefor Israel is intentionally killing women and children. No dude, that's called collateral damage. His simplistic and naive take on this conflict is frustrating to listen to.
Aside from that, Smith blames every geopolitical incident on the cia, Israel, or the cia acting on behalf of Israel without ever discussing or acknowledging other bad actors.
I think Smith is a smart and well spoken guy, but he knows his audience, and similar to how Tucker and Candace Owens have veered off into the deep end, Smith has too.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 2:47 pm to thenza
quote:
Douglas Murray has been one of my favorite podcast and TV guests and authors for going on a decade. I listen to Part of the Problem (Dave Smith’s podcast) every morning while I get ready for work. I think they’re both incredibly intelligent.
Dude wrote a whole book defending neoconservatism and people think he's some kind of genius?
Posted on 4/11/25 at 2:51 pm to St Augustine
quote:
I mean to be fair, Murray kinda proved Smith doesn’t really have a ton of actual experience with any of the shite he’s basically leveled up his comedy career by being an podcasting pundit discussing. Smith is essentially a bro who reads shite online.
Murray was on the PBD podcast a few months ago and you could tell he regretted being there within 5 min. Murray practically had his head on the table falling asleep from the juvenile questions from PBD.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 2:53 pm to St Augustine
I find myself comparing these two interacting to the interaction between Terrance Howard and Eric Weinstein (maybe not Eric?). In other words, it's so much cooler to be kind and patient. You look better, other guy feels better, the audience gets much greater value.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 2:56 pm to Midtiger farm
DS wiped the floor with DM.
Once you get past the false intellect which seems baked into the posh British accent you realize he’s just a whiny bitch who leans on logical fallacies.
Once you get past the false intellect which seems baked into the posh British accent you realize he’s just a whiny bitch who leans on logical fallacies.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 2:58 pm to GeauxBurrow312
quote:
I preferred dave the comedian to the political pundit
He was openly cheering for Russia when the war broke out - not just anti aid (which I am), but pro Russia
Link? I've never heard him be pro-Russia. He's pushed back against the idea that the invasion was "unprovoked" as a lot of people tried to describe it but he always put in the disclaimer that he didn't agree with the invasion itself. That's about as close to being pro-Russia as I've ever heard him be. He just doesn't ignore the decades of events that ultimately led to the invasion, but it's not like he was cheering it on.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 3:05 pm to 632627
quote:
I mean to be fair, Murray kinda proved Smith doesn’t really have a ton of actual experience with any of the shite he’s basically leveled up his comedy career by being an podcasting pundit discussing. Smith is essentially a bro who reads shite online.
And what great wisdom has been bestowed to DM that gives him his magical label of "expert" that apparently allows you to publicly voice opinions?
Posted on 4/11/25 at 3:16 pm to Alabama Slim
quote:
And what great wisdom has been bestowed to DM that gives him his magical label of "expert" that apparently allows you to publicly voice opinions?
He’s spent his entire career working on and studying both historically and practically geopolitics, migration, pursuing journalist information, etc on a lot of these topics. He’s also clearly a better speaker than smith who sounds like an emotional frat boy at times(really my biggest gripe about him).
That may not impress you and that’s perfectly fine. Also you’re falling into the same trap Rogan and smith did. He wasn’t saying Smith or anyone else couldn’t “speak.”
He was pointing out that in his opinion he thought the guests of the last 18 months were skewed a certain way in some of the topics they discussed and some of them were basically comedians and other shite who have now made the circuit as these purported experts. He thought on a show that is big on being a place where ideas are shared it’s been one sided.
I have no idea how accurate he is on that as I only listen to about 10-20 percent of Rogans podcasts.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 4/11/25 at 3:18 pm to PQuin
quote:I've taken like 30-40 history courses, but you're informed.
You and Murray like to claim the intellectual high ground without having to defend your positions.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 3:19 pm to St Augustine
quote:What was the point of the debate? Why would Murray ever debate Dave Smith? I'm still dumbfounded that Smith was supposed to be debating Murray.
It was also pretty clear Rogan was running cover for his comedian buddy who was kind of in over his head in the debate.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 3:22 pm to 632627
quote:Not sure about that, but yes, you've nailed it.
I think Smith is a smart and well spoken guy, but he knows his audience, and similar to how Tucker and Candace Owens have veered off into the deep end, Smith has too.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 3:22 pm to stuntman
Douglas Murray gets an extra 20 IQ points just because of his British accent.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 3:22 pm to bayoubengals88
Dave just dropped a new Part of the Problem podcast about the debate.
I’m about 10min in and he’s pretty accurate with his assessment.
He said the he didn’t win but rather DM lost. Which seems 100% accurate. DM clowned himself.
I’m about 10min in and he’s pretty accurate with his assessment.
He said the he didn’t win but rather DM lost. Which seems 100% accurate. DM clowned himself.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 4/11/25 at 3:23 pm to St Augustine
quote:
I mean to be fair, Murray kinda proved Smith doesn’t really have a ton of actual experience with any of the shite he’s basically leveled up his comedy career by being an podcasting pundit discussing. Smith is essentially a bro who reads shite online. He now gets to do the podcasting circuit as this perceived voice of expertise even if it isn’t formally stated in his title. Guys like Murray have forgotten more history, policy, and geopolitics than smith could ever hope to learn. Yeah he came across like a bit of a prick at times but he was on a completely different level of understanding of the topics. Especially in describing Hamas and Gaza. Eventually Smith just resorts to a bunch of “like” and emo responses. It was also pretty clear Rogan was running cover for his comedian buddy who was kind of in over his head in the debate.
Hopefully you watched the episode and will be able to answer my question. With Murray’s experience and expertise, he should have easily been able to shut down all (or even just one) of Dave’s arguments. That simply didn’t happen, so how do you explain that? He basically filibustered the first 45 mins and then proceeded to contradict himself over and over.
Murray opened with plenty of criticism of Darryl Cooper, and then admitted that he had not listened to any of his work. Then Murray’s only “win” in the entire debate was trying to discredit Dave Smith for not visiting Israel and the ME in person. So we have a neocon shaming a Jew for criticizing Israel’s government. I was actually interested in hearing what Murray had to say, and was shocked to watch him talk in circles for three hours.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 3:23 pm to St Augustine
quote:
He was pointing out that in his opinion he thought the guests of the last 18 months were skewed a certain way in some of the topics they discussed and some of them were basically comedians and other shite who have now made the circuit as these purported experts. He thought on a show that is big on a place where ideas are shared it’s been one sided.
Murray's criticisms, or concerns, are spot on. You have all these comedians such as Smith that make the rounds on alternate media and pass themselves off as geopolitical experts.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 3:25 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:
I've taken like 30-40 history courses, but you're informed.
Maybe you should go argue about history then and not a podcast you didn’t watch.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 3:26 pm to Alabama Slim
quote:A degree from Oxford for starters. There really is something to institutions, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
And what great wisdom has been bestowed to DM that gives him his magical label of "expert" that apparently allows you to publicly voice opinions?
Posted on 4/11/25 at 3:29 pm to PQuin
quote:I've seen enough. Twenty to twenty five minutes of clips is enough for me to know that Murray had to pretend that Smith was debating him, just to be nice.
Maybe you should go argue about history then and not a podcast you didn’t watch.
Page 4 of 8
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News