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re: Dash cam video of Philando Castile killing
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:04 pm to Errerrerrwere
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:04 pm to Errerrerrwere
quote:He may have reached for the weapon, but absolutely nothing was clearly seen. Jesus.
He reached for the weapon. That is clearly seen
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:04 pm to StrongSafety
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That is objectively wrong. Their apprehension and skepticism is a directly result and correlation to how they've been demonized and brutalized by these entities. Their skepticism is only a natural reaction. Some would rather them just be dumb and docile and to go along with the show while they get maimed
Nobody said they were inferior. Get the black male back into the homes, stop the love for anything in the hip hop culture that condones this shite, and see a difference.
The fact that many don't want to hear what whitey has to say simply because they are not involved in the community is asinine.
There is no better indicator than the single mother home as to where these kids will be in 20 years.
It's not me just saying this. It's the numbers.
In fact, more whites are killed by the hands of the police every year than blacks.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:04 pm to the808bass
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No he fricking wasn't and I hope you quit your job before you shoot some innocent person.
Well me, a whole bunch of folks here, and most importantly 12 jurors in Minnesota who sat through the trial where actual evidence was presented think you are wrong. Sucks to be you.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:05 pm to Pax Regis
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and Philando apparently continuing to go for it
No. The police officer said he didn't even know where the gun was. So he didn't know if Castile was going for it.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:05 pm to the808bass
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No he fricking wasn't and I hope you quit your job before you shoot some innocent person.
They believe their safety is more important than some random person on the street. It isn't.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:06 pm to Willie Stroker
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You're welcome to believe that. But that's not the same thing as having evidence to believe it. The video does not support your belief, though it doesn't contradict it either.
Let's post this quote again the officers own words...
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“I didn’t know where the gun was, he didn’t tell me where the frickin’ gun was, and then it was just gettin’ hanky. He was just staring straight ahead, and I was gettin’ frickin’ nervous and then … I told him to get his frickin’ hand off his gun … frick.”
The video didn't show him going for a gun, and the officer didn't see a gun. Is that reasonable to assume your life is in danger at that point?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:07 pm to the808bass
You do realize the gun was in the pocket that Philando was reaching for right? That was conclusively established. You don't get to rewrite history to suit your narrative.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:07 pm to the808bass
quote:the criminal was not compliant. He was told not to reach for his weapon. The officer did not know what he was reaching for but knew he had a weapon. Thus use of any level of force was necessary.
No he fricking wasn't and I hope you quit your job before you shoot some innocent person.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:10 pm to aggressor
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Tragic situation but if a cop tells you not to pull out your gun repeatedly and you ignore him bad things can happen.
Why are you guys constantly repeating this. It's as if you see a black guy's hand move you immediately envision a gun in it.
quote:the bolded part is where he made the fatal mistake. He tried to reach into the car with his left hand as if to grab Castille's right arm. Since the cop's arms aren't 7 feet long he can't quite reach it and suddenly realized what a vulnerable position he is in. Then he shoots.
* 9:05:52 p.m. to 9:05:55 p.m.: “Sir, I have to tell you that I do have a firearm on me,” Castile voluntarily tells Yanez.
The officer interrupts Castile before he can finish.
“OK,” Yanez says as he places his right hand on his holstered gun.
* 9:05:55 p.m. to 9:06:02 p.m.: “OK, don’t reach for it, then,” Yanez says.
Castile’s response is partly inaudible. Yanez interrupts him.
“Don’t pull it out,” Yanez says.
“I’m not pulling it out,” Castile says.
“He’s not pulling it out,” Reynolds says.
Yanez screams, “Don’t pull it out!”
The officer pulls his own gun with his right hand while he reaches inside the driver’s side window with his left hand. Yanez removes his left hand and fires seven shots. Castile is struck by five rounds, two of them tear through his heart.
If the cop is trained and smart enough to not reach into the car he likely doesn't shoot.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:10 pm to NYNolaguy1
I might not have video but I can hear the conversation and NOTHING in his voice says he was doing anything but talking to the officer. When he told officer he had a gun the officer is the one that escalated the situation.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:11 pm to AHCOO
It is amazing the leeway we give cops in this country. They operate under a different set of laws.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:12 pm to AHCOO
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He was told not to reach for his weapon.
Yep. Five times, I believe.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:12 pm to JuiceTerry
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He may have reached for the weapon, but absolutely nothing was clearly seen. Jesus.
The video was plainly seen in the OP; and that video clearly depicts the officer's narrative, Jesus!
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:12 pm to StrongSafety
Personally, it looks like both sides made some horrific mistakes. Castile should have stopped moving when the officer obviously lost his shite.
The officer, given his own words quoted earlier, reacted pretty damn poorly. I don't think Castile was shot because he was black, he was shot because both sides fricked up.
The officer, given his own words quoted earlier, reacted pretty damn poorly. I don't think Castile was shot because he was black, he was shot because both sides fricked up.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:12 pm to NYNolaguy1
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“I didn’t know where the gun was, he didn’t tell me where the frickin’ gun was, and then it was just gettin’ hanky. He was just staring straight ahead, and I was gettin’ frickin’ nervous and then … I told him to get his frickin’ hand off his gun … frick.”
This reads to me like he didn't know where the gun is at first...until he saw it. The video reflects that he did see it, since he said, "I told him not to reach for it! I told him to get his hands off it!"
What am I missing? Is there something about the statement you quoted that is of evidentiary value to contradict the jury's decision?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:12 pm to mmcgrath
A+ for your effort. 
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:13 pm to StrongSafety
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Where was his wallet? You can't tell from that video that he reached for the gun
But you just said he didn't. Are you a fricking liar?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:13 pm to JuiceTerry
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You also see the officer repeatedly tell him not to reach for the gun, but he does so anyway.
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We have no idea if that is what he did or not. That's the problem with no body cam.
But we do know that a democrat bit the dust. Win Win situation.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:14 pm to Pax Regis
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Well me, a whole bunch of folks here, and most importantly 12 jurors in Minnesota who sat through the trial where actual evidence was presented think you are wrong. Sucks to be you.
They said it wasn't criminal, not that it was a clean shoot. shite, he was fired over it.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:16 pm to AHCOO
It doesn't matter if he was reaching for his gun. The cop can't have him reaching, period, until he knows where the gun is, and that he and his partner are in no danger from it. Dude can't be reaching for his wallet, his comb, his cigarette lighter, or to scratch his arse.
Until that gun is in view, or secured, the officers lives are in imminent danger, and they will act accordingly, as this video attests. People don't like it, frick them. That officers first duty is to stay alive.
Until that gun is in view, or secured, the officers lives are in imminent danger, and they will act accordingly, as this video attests. People don't like it, frick them. That officers first duty is to stay alive.
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