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re: Dash cam video of Philando Castile killing
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:32 pm to Five0
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:32 pm to Five0
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Statistics do not apply to individual cases. Statistics do apply to the task of making a general narrative accepted as some sort of truth.
Lol. You're so obtuse on this issue. I look forward to your evolution as a lawyer as you sit opposite law enforcement in the court.
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:33 pm to the808bass
Okay. Are you an expert on lawyering too?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:36 pm to Five0
Now I get to be contrarian again.
The statistics used to support the idea that blacks are disproportionately in bad shoots with cops are false.
They are improperly constructed. Plain and simple.
Back to the thread.
The statistics used to support the idea that blacks are disproportionately in bad shoots with cops are false.
They are improperly constructed. Plain and simple.
Back to the thread.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:37 pm to Five0
quote:
Okay. Are you an expert on lawyering too?
No. Just an "expert" in human behavior.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:39 pm to the808bass
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No. Just an "expert" in human behavior.
If that were true you would agree that roughly 5% of ALL police involved shootings being even a little questionable as to their legality means there is no problem, and no need for reform, but earlier in the thread you were screaming for reform here , so we know that what you are actually an expert in is complaining about cops.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:18 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
If 5% of US mail was "questionably delivered," there would be quality control people all over their operations figuring out how to fix it.
If 5% of Income tax returns were "questionably processed," you would have the same.
If 5% of prescriptions were "questionably processed" at Walgreens, they'd be shut down.
I would keep that 5% number to myself if I were you. It's not the ringing endorsement you think it is.
If 5% of Income tax returns were "questionably processed," you would have the same.
If 5% of prescriptions were "questionably processed" at Walgreens, they'd be shut down.
I would keep that 5% number to myself if I were you. It's not the ringing endorsement you think it is.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:19 pm to the808bass
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If 5% of US mail was "questionably delivered," there would be quality control people all over their operations figuring out how to fix it. If 5% of Income tax returns were "questionably processed," you would have the same. If 5% of prescriptions were "questionably processed" at Walgreens, they'd be shut down. I would keep that 5% number to myself if I were you. It's not the ringing endorsement you think it is.
Admittedly, 5% is an egregiously bad number!
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:32 pm to the808bass
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If 5% of US mail was "questionably delivered," there would be quality control people all over their operations figuring out how to fix it.
If 5% of Income tax returns were "questionably processed," you would have the same.
If 5% of prescriptions were "questionably processed" at Walgreens, they'd be shut down.
I would keep that 5% number to myself if I were you. It's not the ringing endorsement you think it is.
Yes, because those are all direct comparisons to police on almost always criminal interactions aren't they?
But to be fair.
Most studies say around 3% of items sent via the USPS are lost annually
It's not specific to Wal Greens, but according to this, 30-50M perceptions are filled incorrectly each year.
LINK
THe IRS is defrauded of $21B each year
LINK
Yep, that 5% sure is awful
You are TERRIBLE at the debates friend, maybe you should give tiddlywinks a try.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:37 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:that's one out of every 20 you stupid fricking tard. If you genuinely believe one out of every 20 police shoots are bad and you're okay with it you're fricking insane
Yep, that 5% sure is awful
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:38 pm to the808bass
Comparing percentages of successful transactions between two consenting parties to the percentage between non-consenting parties where one or both are armed, angry and possibly under the influence is a fool's errand.
If I were to fight my postman and possibly shoot at him, I bet the percentage of unsuccessfully delivered mail would rise significantly.
If I were to fight my postman and possibly shoot at him, I bet the percentage of unsuccessfully delivered mail would rise significantly.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:43 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
I think the most adorable thing about you is that you don't know what you don't know but you think you do.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:45 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Comparing percentages of successful transactions between two consenting parties to the percentage between non-consenting parties where one or both are armed, angry and possibly under the influence is a fool's errand.
Good thing that's not what we are doing.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:46 pm to ShortyRob
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that's one out of every 20 you stupid fricking tard. If you genuinely believe one out of every 20 police shoots are bad and you're okay with it you're fricking insane
The stats don't say 5% of shootings are bad, they say 5% are even questionable. You don't know how to read stats, that's pathetic.
By they way of those 5% , 74% of them result in the officer being clearly of any wrong doing.
What a dullard you are.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:46 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:I wasn't reading the stats I was reading your post
The stats don't say 5% of shootings are bad, they say 5% are even questionable. You don't know how to read stats, that's pathetic
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:52 pm to ShortyRob
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I wasn't reading the stats I was reading your post
Not very well becuase my post CLEARLY stated that the stats show that only 5 % of police involved shootings even have any controversey surrounding them. The rest there simply never was any question about whether or not the officer should have shot.
What on Earth are you doing commenting on a subjet that you are too lazy to study up on the actual statistics on? Seriously . "I have an opinion" , well does your opinion have any basis in known facts? "No" well then your opinion doesn't mean shite.
48 questionable officer involved shootings last year in the US. In 74% the officer was eventually cleared of any wrong doing. That means 12 fricking cops were found to have acted badly. TWELVE out of 968 shootings. So 1.5% of police shootings are the result of police misbehavior. IT'S AN EPIDEMIC FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 6/23/17 at 3:03 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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48 questionable officer involved shootings last year in the US.
I think you may be a bit imprecise in your wording here.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:58 am to the808bass
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Good thing that's not what we are doing.
Yes you are. You are comparing the percentage of bad shoots for police, with the percentage of undelivered mail and wrong prescriptions.
The former involves a confrontation, while the latter two involve consenting parties not under duress.
I agree with your point that it is an unacceptable percentage, but it's just a bad comparison.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 11:40 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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The former involves a confrontation, while the latter two involve consenting parties not under duress
You're overstating your case a bit here (as you did in the first post on it). But human interaction is always going to be fraught with error. So, to that extent, you are correct.
But in a lot of these bad shootings, we later find out there were lots of clues earlier that the department either ignored or was unable to take action upon because of the union.
Watch the video of the Univ Cincy cop doing a traffic stop a year before the shooting and read the account of his college fight in 2010 and you get a pretty clear picture the guy should have never been a cop.
This post was edited on 6/24/17 at 11:40 am
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