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re: Dash cam video of Philando Castile killing
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:05 pm to the808bass
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:05 pm to the808bass
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I'm not convinced race played no role. I am convinced racism played no role.
Hmmm this is an interesting concept. Can you explain this further. I'm seriously interested
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:06 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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He didn't follow procedure for a felony stop, but was it a felony stop? He didn't even know who the felon was. It was just a possible suspect
If he really thought it was a felon, he'd have handled the stop differently (assuming he'd follow his training which may be a big "if"). Oddly enough, Castile would probably be alive if Yanez had done the whole "get out of the car and put your hands up" schtick.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:07 pm to CoachChappy
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Is not following orders a death sentence?
It can be. You've got to remember cops are people too. They are just as scared out there as the next guy. He says he thought the guy was going for a gun and was going to kill him. That's a crazy arse scary situation for anyone.
Always comply with the police and do exactly what they say. Have your lawyer argue later in court.
Your simple instruction to always follow a cops orders will get you home to your family or back on your way to where ever you were going 99.99999999999% of the time.
Very few of these allegedly senseless killings are due to a bad cop just gunning someone down, in nearly every case the suspect is not complying with the cops directions.
Think about it, you're the cop telling someone to do xyz and they're not listening, you know this is the situation where things can go bad real quick, if I'm the cop I've already made the decision that if shite goes south I'm the one that's going home tonight and if that means a non compliant suspect gets his arse shot that's what's gonna happen.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:07 pm to Dick Leverage
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What I have decided to do in that case is to put both hands on the wheel and tell him I have a firearm in the vehicle. When he tells me not to move I am going to request to be allowed to slowly move both hands out of the window to be properly handcuffed. Once removed from the car I am going to slam myself against the hood of my car and repeat "stop resisting, stop resisting" over and over again.
Why were you reaching for the officer's gun ?
you trying to get killed?Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:07 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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he most likely like 99% of the population has to reach behind his waist band where a gun could be.
Wrong
99% of the population doesn't reach behind their waistband WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY announcing they have a gun. That was a very mediocre strawman
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
And the evidence that proves this is??
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:08 pm to troyt37
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If you can watch that and say that the officer didn't believe his life was in danger, you must think he is an Academy Award winning actor.
That means nothing. Cops kill innocent people all the time who are no threat to them.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:09 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Castile wasn't going for his gun
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Prove that.
His gun had no round in the chamber, he was going for his papers. In fact, the witness said his hands were going up.
Looking at the wound, it makes sense.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:09 pm to Bass Tiger
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Your simple instruction to always follow a cops orders will get you home to your family or back on your way to where ever you were going 99.99999999999% of the time.
That's a poor way of looking at it.
And reduces American citizens to East German mentality. Head down, don't question the stop or don't question unreasonable searches of your car or don't question if the cop is asking you to do something ridiculous.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:10 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Hmmm this is an interesting concept. Can you explain this further. I'm seriously interested
I think in most police shootings, the police enter the scene with a preconceived notion of who they are dealing with. Or a quickly conceived notion. Hell, all humans do. And people who are "not like us" are more likely to get less benefit of the doubt when it comes to police escalating the situation. So a kid who lives in a trailer of a criminal is shot with a Nintendo controller in his hand. A black kid in the hood is shot with BB gun in his hand. A homeless guy is shot unarmed.
So Yanez is preprogrammed to see Castile as "the other." And probably subconsciously put him in a law-breaker category. If you told him before he walked up to the car that Castile would have a conceal carry permit, he probably would've been surprised.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:10 pm to the808bass
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If he really thought it was a felon, he'd have handled the stop differently (assuming he'd follow his training which may be a big "if"). Oddly enough, Castile would probably be alive if Yanez had done the whole "get out of the car and put your hands up" schtick.
Just because he stated to the dispatch he might match some characteristics of the suspect doesn't require him to follow a felony stop protocol, do you agree?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:10 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I agree. It doesn't require him to do it.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:11 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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That's a poor way of looking at it.
To say the least. Many here live sheltered lives.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:12 pm to the808bass
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I think in most police shootings, the police enter the scene with a preconceived notion of who they are dealing with.
Correct. This is based on statistics and stories that police officers hear every day.
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Hell, all humans do.
Correct again. So do you have a solution for circumventing human nature in a high pressure instantaneous situation?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:this how I know you are Ignorant to the situation.
His gun had no round in the chamber, he was going for his papers.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:13 pm to the808bass
He knew he didn't have the probable cause for a felony stop- thus the reason he didn't follow felony stop procedure. Instead, he did a stop and ID-- which he DID follow procedure for.
Which leaves one person remaining who didn't follow proper procedure during the stop--- Philando Castile.
Which leaves one person remaining who didn't follow proper procedure during the stop--- Philando Castile.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:14 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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And reduces American citizens to East German mentality. Head down, don't question the stop or don't question unreasonable searches of your car or don't question if the cop is asking you to do something ridiculous.
It's scary and it makes me wonder if we make these stances because of other factors outside our control...
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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That means nothing. Cops kill innocent people all the time who are no threat to them
Hyperbole, it's what's for dinner. I believe doctors kill many more than cops. They bloodthirsty too?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:15 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Correct again. So do you have a solution for circumventing human nature in a high pressure instantaneous situation?
Nope. Just find it interesting. The reason stereotypes exist is because there's some truth to them. Japanese tourists do take shite tons of pictures. Lots of women can't park for shite. I don't want to remove the "lizard brain" from the repertoire of a police officer.
But if they frick up, admit they fricked up. And let them face the consequences.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:15 pm to AHCOO
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this how I know you are Ignorant to the situation.
What was wrong?
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