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re: Dash cam video of Philando Castile killing

Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:50 pm to
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:50 pm to
I guess we see it differently.

But, that is fine.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:50 pm to
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when you don't comply yes you become a criminal.


With which command did he not comply?
Posted by AHCOO
Somewhere Texas
Member since Sep 2015
455 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:50 pm to
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How can you even post this? This is the definition of jumping at straws.

He pulled over when he was signaled.

Castile had his daughter and wife in the car.

He was surrounded by a cop on both sides of his car.

Why would he tell an officer he has a gun? That drastically lowers any chance of a successful attack.
no it does not.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14682 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:51 pm to
I saw the video. It blows me away that you want to take issue with what the officer said. It is absolutely the responsibility of the carrier to know what NOT to do in that situation.

"Don't reach for it!" doesn't mean it's ok to reach for the seatbelt, or your cell phone. It means don't reach for anything. Anyone who has been theough a CC class should know this without a second thought.

Im starting to think that incredibly, some of you don't seem to understand that whether you carry or not, regardless of the color of your skin, even regardless of you are dealing with an officer, or just an armed individual, your actions can and will put your life in danger.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299027 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:52 pm to
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Im starting to think that incredibly, some of you don't seem to understand that whether you carry or not, regardless of the color of your skin, even regardless of you are dealing with an officer, or just an armed individual, your actions can and will put your life in danger.


It was reported his hands were going up. Who are you going to believe?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:52 pm to
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It blows me away that you want to take issue with what the officer said.


I'm not taking issue with what he said (despite the fact that you know it's not what he was supposed to say). I'm pointing out that Castile probably didn't perceive himself as not complying with the commands. "Don't reach for it." "I'm not."
Posted by The Dudes Rug
Member since Nov 2004
14067 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:53 pm to
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He didn't reach for his gun

The officer perceived he was. Perception is reality.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:53 pm to
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even regardless of you are dealing with an officer, or just an armed individual, your actions can and will put your life in danger.


With a trigger happy jump cop, everyone's life is in danger. And you can jump in that thread when it happens and defend that shooting, too.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:54 pm to
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How can you even post this? This is the definition of jumping at straws. He pulled over when he was signaled. Castile had his daughter and wife in the car. He was surrounded by a cop on both sides of his car. Why would he tell an officer he has a gun? That drastically lowers any chance of a successful attack.


What are you even talking about?

I'm responding to someone who said he was just reaching for his wallet.

Don't you think you have a slightly different vantage point? You are sitting on your couch

He is pulling over a possible armed robbery suspect. Do you think he has time to stop and think "wait why would he tell me he has a gun if he is planning to kill me?"
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:54 pm to
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no it does not.


Does not having a round in the chamber lower your chance of a successful attack?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299027 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:55 pm to
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The officer perceived he was. Perception is reality.


Well isn't that convenient??
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:55 pm to
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He is pulling over a possible armed robbery suspect. Do you think he has time to stop and think "wait why would he tell me he has a gun if he is planning to kill me?"


Did he follow procedure for this? Or was he just using it as an excuse? You can be honest with us. We won't tell the people on Police1.
Posted by AHCOO
Somewhere Texas
Member since Sep 2015
455 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:56 pm to
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With a trigger happy jump cop, everyone's life is in danger. And you can jump in that thread when it happens and defend that shooting, too.
if they can prove that the cop was trigger happy and was looking to kill people that day then yes I would say he deserves to get killed or sent to jail. In this case no the actions that the cop took were justified.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:56 pm to
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Does not having a round in the chamber lower your chance of a successful attack?


Doesn't prove your argument at all
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299027 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:57 pm to
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Doesn't prove your argument at all


Castile wasn't going for his gun
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:57 pm to
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I guess we see it differently.


Maybe. I certainly don't think getting shot likely crossed Castile's mind until it happened.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:58 pm to
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Doesn't prove your argument at all


What's my argument?
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:58 pm to
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Did he follow procedure for this? Or was he just using it as an excuse? You can be honest with us. We won't tell the people on Police1.


Using it as an excuse?

Didn't he tell the dispatcher he thought he matched the description of the suspect? That means he was thinking that before he even got out of the car. It can't be an excuse after the fact
Posted by AHCOO
Somewhere Texas
Member since Sep 2015
455 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:58 pm to
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Does not having a round in the chamber lower your chance of a successful attack?
does it matter? It still a weapon and action should take place.
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:58 pm to
What I have decided to do in that case is to put both hands on the wheel and tell him I have a firearm in the vehicle. When he tells me not to move I am going to request to be allowed to slowly move both hands out of the window to be properly handcuffed. Once removed from the car I am going to slam myself against the hood of my car and repeat "stop resisting, stop resisting" over and over again.
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