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re: Dash cam video of Philando Castile killing
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:50 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:50 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I guess we see it differently.
But, that is fine.
But, that is fine.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:50 pm to AHCOO
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when you don't comply yes you become a criminal.
With which command did he not comply?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:50 pm to silverdude
quote:no it does not.
How can you even post this? This is the definition of jumping at straws.
He pulled over when he was signaled.
Castile had his daughter and wife in the car.
He was surrounded by a cop on both sides of his car.
Why would he tell an officer he has a gun? That drastically lowers any chance of a successful attack.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:51 pm to the808bass
I saw the video. It blows me away that you want to take issue with what the officer said. It is absolutely the responsibility of the carrier to know what NOT to do in that situation.
"Don't reach for it!" doesn't mean it's ok to reach for the seatbelt, or your cell phone. It means don't reach for anything. Anyone who has been theough a CC class should know this without a second thought.
Im starting to think that incredibly, some of you don't seem to understand that whether you carry or not, regardless of the color of your skin, even regardless of you are dealing with an officer, or just an armed individual, your actions can and will put your life in danger.
"Don't reach for it!" doesn't mean it's ok to reach for the seatbelt, or your cell phone. It means don't reach for anything. Anyone who has been theough a CC class should know this without a second thought.
Im starting to think that incredibly, some of you don't seem to understand that whether you carry or not, regardless of the color of your skin, even regardless of you are dealing with an officer, or just an armed individual, your actions can and will put your life in danger.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:52 pm to troyt37
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Im starting to think that incredibly, some of you don't seem to understand that whether you carry or not, regardless of the color of your skin, even regardless of you are dealing with an officer, or just an armed individual, your actions can and will put your life in danger.
It was reported his hands were going up. Who are you going to believe?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:52 pm to troyt37
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It blows me away that you want to take issue with what the officer said.
I'm not taking issue with what he said (despite the fact that you know it's not what he was supposed to say). I'm pointing out that Castile probably didn't perceive himself as not complying with the commands. "Don't reach for it." "I'm not."
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He didn't reach for his gun
The officer perceived he was. Perception is reality.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:53 pm to troyt37
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even regardless of you are dealing with an officer, or just an armed individual, your actions can and will put your life in danger.
With a trigger happy jump cop, everyone's life is in danger. And you can jump in that thread when it happens and defend that shooting, too.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:54 pm to silverdude
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How can you even post this? This is the definition of jumping at straws. He pulled over when he was signaled. Castile had his daughter and wife in the car. He was surrounded by a cop on both sides of his car. Why would he tell an officer he has a gun? That drastically lowers any chance of a successful attack.
What are you even talking about?
I'm responding to someone who said he was just reaching for his wallet.
Don't you think you have a slightly different vantage point? You are sitting on your couch
He is pulling over a possible armed robbery suspect. Do you think he has time to stop and think "wait why would he tell me he has a gun if he is planning to kill me?"
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:54 pm to AHCOO
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no it does not.
Does not having a round in the chamber lower your chance of a successful attack?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:55 pm to The Dudes Rug
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The officer perceived he was. Perception is reality.
Well isn't that convenient??
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:55 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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He is pulling over a possible armed robbery suspect. Do you think he has time to stop and think "wait why would he tell me he has a gun if he is planning to kill me?"
Did he follow procedure for this? Or was he just using it as an excuse? You can be honest with us. We won't tell the people on Police1.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:56 pm to the808bass
quote:if they can prove that the cop was trigger happy and was looking to kill people that day then yes I would say he deserves to get killed or sent to jail. In this case no the actions that the cop took were justified.
With a trigger happy jump cop, everyone's life is in danger. And you can jump in that thread when it happens and defend that shooting, too.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:56 pm to the808bass
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Does not having a round in the chamber lower your chance of a successful attack?
Doesn't prove your argument at all
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:57 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Doesn't prove your argument at all
Castile wasn't going for his gun
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:57 pm to reo45
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I guess we see it differently.
Maybe. I certainly don't think getting shot likely crossed Castile's mind until it happened.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:58 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Doesn't prove your argument at all
What's my argument?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:58 pm to the808bass
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Did he follow procedure for this? Or was he just using it as an excuse? You can be honest with us. We won't tell the people on Police1.
Using it as an excuse?
Didn't he tell the dispatcher he thought he matched the description of the suspect? That means he was thinking that before he even got out of the car. It can't be an excuse after the fact
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:58 pm to the808bass
quote:does it matter? It still a weapon and action should take place.
Does not having a round in the chamber lower your chance of a successful attack?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:58 pm to UpToPar
What I have decided to do in that case is to put both hands on the wheel and tell him I have a firearm in the vehicle. When he tells me not to move I am going to request to be allowed to slowly move both hands out of the window to be properly handcuffed. Once removed from the car I am going to slam myself against the hood of my car and repeat "stop resisting, stop resisting" over and over again.
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