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Posted on 4/21/20 at 7:29 am to
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/21/20 at 7:29 am to
NY is killin’ it with lower numbers. That is very encouraging
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40251 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 10:48 am to
two more deaths at the nursing home -- that makes 4. Still have 4 in the hospital -- well at least as far as I know they're still there and not passed away yet.

Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37391 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:45 am to
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NY is killin’ it with lower numbers. That is very encouraging
Looking for confirmation today, and the early numbers seem to back that up. NJ is very encouraging as well. Still glad that NY was pulled as it might be giving a falsely rosey outlook for the rest of the country in overall declines.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:57 am to
So, what is the real mortality rate based on the new antibody numbers? I thought I saw something like .2%-.37%, but I can't find them anywhere.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8289 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:01 pm to
This is the link to the US state level tracker that I have shared via Google Drive. Chromdome's State Level COVID-19 Daily Tracker
This is the link to the COVID-19 Country tracker that I have shared on Google Drive. Chromdome's COVID-19 Daily Tracker

The source for the data is https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
The source for the testing data is from https://covidtracking.com/data/

4/18/20 UPDATE: I am changing these updates to show the data for the US without NY State numbers included. The information and graphs presented in my updates going forward will all be from the perspective of omitting NY State results. All of the original data is still present on the tracker linked above









Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
18162 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:09 pm to
This thread is great. Thank you.

Is there any way that you can overlay the total tests administered with the positive cases? Would be an interesting comparison.





Either way, thanks again!
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:55 pm to
Here you go


The scale difference between the two data sets is large enough to require a separate axis.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 1:03 pm
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37391 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 1:04 pm to
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So, what is the real mortality rate based on the new antibody numbers? I thought I saw something like .2%-.37%, but I can't find them anywhere.
Until I see something definite, I am going with most experts who see the mortality rate settling around 1%.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
18162 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 1:12 pm to
Wish there were a way to estimate lag time, etc.

My curiosity is with the percent of positive tests versus total tests and what that curve would look like.

To your point, that’s a wide gap that likely wouldn’t be meaningful on a single bar graph.

I’m on mobile. Do your sheets allow us to copy and paste to excel, etc, so we can play around with the data?

ETA: Thanks again. You deserve a Dundie for this.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 1:14 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8289 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 1:28 pm to
Thank you.

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My curiosity is with the percent of positive tests versus total tests and what that curve would look like.



Posted by Ingloriousbastard
Member since May 2015
917 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 2:43 pm to
I’m really hoping we can start seeing some real downward momentum in new cases.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
129624 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 3:06 pm to
I think it would be really valuable to chart out how many cases are confined - nursing home or prison. I would guess somewhere from 25-40% of new cases are in a confined setting.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
132427 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 3:24 pm to
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Until I see something definite, I am going with most experts who see the mortality rate settling around 1%.


It will absolutely be below 0.5%
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29128 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 3:33 pm to
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So, what is the real mortality rate based on the new antibody numbers? I thought I saw something like .2%-.37%, but I can't find them anywhere.
It is still much too early to nail down the "real" mortality rate that closely. I don't even think the false positive rate on the antibody tests is known with any accuracy.

IMO, the only thing we can say with certainty about the mortality rate is that it is greater than 0.12%. I base this number on the fact that we have at least 3 populations known to have already lost that percentage of their *total* population to covid. So even if 100% of these populations have already been infected, the IFR can be no less than 0.12%. They are:

NYC - 10,500 deaths / 8.4 million
Lombardy, Italy - 12,500 deaths / 10 million
San Marino (tiny country within Italy, but outside Lombardy) - 40 deaths / 34,000

These numbers will obviously continue to rise, which will bring the 0.12% up. Also perhaps obviously, the infection rate in these populations is surely not already 100%, which means the IFR *must* be higher than 0.12%. I just think it's hard to determine the infection rate right now.

My best guess is IFR will end up around 0.5%.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
132427 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 3:56 pm to
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NYC - 10,500 deaths / 8.4 million
Lombardy, Italy - 12,500 deaths / 10 million
San Marino (tiny country within Italy, but outside Lombardy) - 40 deaths / 34,000


You picked 3 data points of extremely densely populated places. Worst case scenarios for spread and also Lombardy and San Marino median ages are 10 years older than average for the planet
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8289 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 3:56 pm to
Big death numbers today...The highest yet outside of NY. Reporting lag, reclassification of data?

WoM says this about today's numbers.

quote:

In accordance with new CDC guidelines:

New York: the numbers shown below include probable deaths (and, consequently, probable cases for the same number) as reported by New York City
Maryland: includes probable deaths, as reported by the Department of Health (Section: "COVID-19 Statistics in Maryland")
Wyoming: includes probable cases, as reported by the Department of Health
Most state reports and dashboards (such as Texas, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Missouri, etc.) lag behind or show incomplete data with respect to the data shown by individual counties on their official websites and dashboards, which is what we collect and aggregate when possible to show the most updated and accurate number in the table below. We will soon publish state-level pages with graphs and the breakdown by county.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35406 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 3:58 pm to
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So, what is the real mortality rate based on the new antibody numbers? I thought I saw something like .2%-.37%, but I can't find them anywhere.
If you take the data from the close-quarters settings where there has been massive testing (prisons, naval ships, cruise ships, etc.), combined with the locations that were lauded for their test, trace, and isolate strategies (South Korea, Germany), plus the better antibody studies (Germany), I don’t see any way that the IFR will end up below 0.5% but I also don’t see it ending up above 1.5%.

These will of course be after comprehensive estimates of both infections and deaths are calculated, and undoubtedly both will be revised upwards, but I think deaths will have a small upwards revision (1.5 to 2.5) than infections (5-25).
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 3:59 pm
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13518 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 4:06 pm to
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Reporting lag, reclassification of data?

Louisiana lags every weekend with Tuesday bringing the highest death numbers of any day of the week. We all already noticed that trend and it sucks. It sure makes it harder to get very excited about a downward trend when it keeps getting a bump.

Total patients on vents fell below 300 statewide...big plus. Things are definitely better.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29128 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 4:09 pm to
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You picked 3 data points of extremely densely populated places. Worst case scenarios for spread
That's exactly right. I'm looking for the lower bound on IFR, which means I need to find places that are nearest to the maximum possible infection rate of 100%.
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Lombardy and San Marino median ages are 10 years older than average for the planet
Whether that number is accurate or not, NYC skews young and the deaths per million are the same.
Posted by tgrgrd00
Kenner, LA
Member since Jun 2004
11683 posts
Posted on 4/21/20 at 4:26 pm to
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probable deaths (and, consequently, probable cases


This is a problem. It's becoming more common it seems as more States are doing it now.

You can't guess when it comes to this stuff.

You have a lot of people that think they have it but are testing negative. So guessing if someone has it or not and actually reporting it as a positive shouldn't be happening. It's disappointing.


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