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re: Critical question looking back at 2020 election: Was it winnable for Trump?

Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:29 am to
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62999 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:29 am to
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Trump won in 2020, Dems stole the election. stop pretending otherwise



John Ham will say that it's Trump's fault that he didn't stop it from being stolen.
Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
7678 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:31 am to
Do you have any idea how close the election was?

Even if you believe it was legit, do you realize Trump lost AZ, GA and WI by tiny fractions of 1%? Not 1%, fractions of 1%.

How many Biden voters in those 3 states were voting for Uncle Joe the moderate,the competent, the adult, the great uniter?

They were delivered more chaos, more incompetence, more division and a radical agenda they could not have even imagined.

Do you think they will do it again?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62999 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:33 am to
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Why does a guy polling at 12% in his own party think he can win?



His objective is not to win. His objective is to keep Trump from winning.

It's why all of his supporters (like the OP) post about Trump instead of Desantis himself. Everything is a hit piece.

It's easy to see when you take a step back.
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
13618 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:34 am to
Through voter harvesting Democrats will get 85 million votes in 24.

The only way to win is through a huge coalition of Republicans, Conservatives, Independents and Democrats who work 40 hours a week but make less than 120,000 a year to get 90 million votes.

I’m not sure anyone can build that coalition but I really don’t think Trump can build a coalition that large.



Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13428 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:35 am to
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Trump won in 2020, Dems stole the election. stop pretending otherwise


What will keep them from stealing it again?
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
17790 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:36 am to
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44213 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:40 am to
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So why is he acting like this time will be different?


Because the “swamp” has been exposed to the masses.

Because Biden and the Dems have shite on American’s of every background.

Because Biden is the party of Hank, and we have all had enough of Hank.


Still, I give him just a slight chance to overcome the mass frickery that will surely be take place again.

Trump / DeSantis 24 is the only chance imho.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 9:42 am
Posted by Mephistopheles
Member since Aug 2007
8394 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:41 am to
Weird that the Democrats let Thom Tills, Joni Ernst, Tom Johnson, Susan Collins win in the Senate...
Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
6078 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:42 am to
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So why is he acting like this time will be different?


Why is Ron acting like it would be different? Does Ron believe 2020 was legit?
Posted by FLTech
he/won
Member since Sep 2017
28163 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:43 am to
Trump received more votes than any other Republican candidate in the history of the USSR states but it’s just not good enough!!! He’s a failure - he’s a bad candidate!!

Give me a fricking break!
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 9:44 am
Posted by Marcus Aurelius
LA
Member since Oct 2020
3900 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:44 am to
That is the ONLY message he can use. "I lost but I want you to vote for me again" doesn't quite work.

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"The whole “it was rigged! stolen!” message would just be justification for him running again since if his base saw his loss as legitimate they would dump him for losing to fricking Biden. "
Posted by Mephistopheles
Member since Aug 2007
8394 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:46 am to
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FLTech
Trump received more votes than any other Republican candidate in the history of the USSR states but it’s just not good enough!!! He’s a failure - he’s a bad candidate!!

Give me a fricking break!


The landscape has changed. John McCain would've got 75 million.
Posted by jlnoles79
Member since Jan 2014
14471 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:46 am to
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he’s a bad candidate!!


I'm not sure "bad" is a strong enough word for a moron that goes on national tv and admits to obstructing justice
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
42063 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:47 am to
Bottom line: Trump ain’t sitting in that chair so he lost.

Posted by BigTigerJoe
Member since Aug 2022
14023 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:48 am to


Go serve your masters with a "Cleveland Steamer."

Trump won bigly.

These tools never stop.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29689 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:49 am to
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Why is Ron acting like it would be different? Does Ron believe 2020 was legit?


Ron believes 2020 was winnable. He has already said he will not have excuses if he’s the nominee.
Posted by Auy2k
Member since Aug 2020
431 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:52 am to
The dems will double down and harvest even more ballots for 2024. No republican will win until voter IDs/in person voting are required in all 50 states.

Why is Trump running in 2024? Because I guess he feels that there is a slight chance he can pull this off without a “pandemic”?

I’m sure there will be another created “crisis” in order to further the cheating process.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70450 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:52 am to
Argument for: several states have made serious efforts to clean up electioneering, and with no covid to hind behind, it will be difficult for the same level of cheating to steal a victory again.

Argument against: these electoral changes failed to happen in the largest and most important “swing” states like Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, and Michigan. In which case, voting for Trump isn’t about winning so much as it is “sending a message”, even if we, as an electorate, have already lost our democratic republican form of government to a fascist kleptocratic oligarchy.

So, either we still have a chance to win an election with Trump, or we have no chances of winning any federal elections ever (no matter whom the nominee is) because they’re all rigged, but voting for Trump shows the ruling regime how deeply unpopular they are, i.e. a protest vote.
Posted by Mephistopheles
Member since Aug 2007
8394 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:52 am to
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I’m sure there will be another created “crisis” in order to further the cheating process


Listen to yourself.
Posted by Mephistopheles
Member since Aug 2007
8394 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:54 am to
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So, either we still have a chance to win an election with Trump, or we have no chances of winning any federal elections ever


The GOP won multiple elections to federal office, including some toss ups, in the last election?

And the one before that.
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