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Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:15 am to ChexMix
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Trump won in 2020, Dems stole the election. stop pretending otherwise
Maybe so, but Trump hasn’t been able to produce the evidence needed to convince most of the voting population in the U.S. of that, so at some point his campaign can’t just be about how the 2020 Election was stolen from him.
Regardless of the nefarious things that happened during the 2020 Election, there were also a lot of people who turned out and voted for Biden simply because they wanted to vote against Trump. How does he avoid this issue in 2024 if he is the Republican nominee?
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 11:16 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:15 am to Motownsix
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He didn’t just lose. He got his arse kicked. Lost the Senate in GA. Then lost 2022.
He’s looking at jail time while Biden is looking at a second term. That is one man owning another. Best he could do now for the sake of the country is get out of the race and support a better candidate. My choice would be CC.
I guess the DNC thinks Christie is the only Republican Biden could have a hope of beating.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:16 am to westerntigerfan
OP… you think that Trump’s team won’t put together a ballot harvesting operation in states where it’s legal?
That’s exactly why they’re indicting him, etc. They know he’ll match that game forcing Dems to submit counts earlier than they want to on election night.
Don’t underestimate how many Dems will stay home if Biden is the nominee. They’ll have to make up more ground.
That’s exactly why they’re indicting him, etc. They know he’ll match that game forcing Dems to submit counts earlier than they want to on election night.
Don’t underestimate how many Dems will stay home if Biden is the nominee. They’ll have to make up more ground.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:27 am to Hetfield
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All they had to do was focus on flipping 5 cities in states that Trump won in 2016, Philly, Detroit, ATL, Milwaukee, & Phoenix. It was planned in advance & they rigged them all.
Except when you look at the changes in voting from 2016 to 2020, every one of those cities went more for Trump in 2020 than they did in 2016. The big change was not in the cities, but in the suburbs.
election precinct map
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:30 am to ChexMix
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Trump won in 2020, Dems stole the election. stop pretending otherwise
I don’t know whether it was stolen or not, but it was fishy AF. Trump could have done a far better job protecting the election ala monitoring and collecting evidence that would have led to conviction.
Instead, we got a fragmented look at what may have gone on because it was collected and parsed together by random people.
That’s on trump, imo.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 11:30 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:30 am to Y.A. Tittle
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How would that preclude the Party taking similar initiatives to what the Democrats were doing?
You can't harvest in person ballots.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:34 am to Jon Ham
He lost it for sure in the debate.
Trump was an embarrassment while debating a dementia patient.
Trump was an embarrassment while debating a dementia patient.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 11:34 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:34 am to westerntigerfan
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Except when you look at the changes in voting from 2016 to 2020, every one of those cities went more for Trump in 2020 than they did in 2016.
One of us is looking at the map wrong. I just checked Atlanta and Phoenix; both shifted D from 2016 to 2020.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:34 am to bluestem75
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OP…
You have to understand the "OP's" motives
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:38 am to Gifman
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Your boy would have also lost to. He wasn’t running against Biden. He was running against a massive harvesting system run by democrats. Trump gained 12 mil votes from 2016 which is impressive. In hindsight, Trump’s team should’ve known about what they were up against and done the same thing. I don’t think anyone anticipated five swing states to stop counting at 2am, assess how many votes they needed, then go “collect” them. Elections have changed.
My "boy" is dropping $200 million on his ground game already with thousands of paid staff who are finding every voter and doing the work NOW to make sure they vote a year from now and beyond. He's also building a legal staff to be ready to fight election law cases from the jump and not wait until after the election.
Trump just held rallies and assumed everyone would show up while he did a crap job of fighting all the voting law changes.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:38 am to bluestem75
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OP… you think that Trump’s team won’t put together a ballot harvesting operation in states where it’s legal?
Of course he will. He's just not as organized, disciplined, and savvy as the dems.
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They know he’ll match that game forcing Dems to submit counts earlier than they want to on election night.
He failed miserably at it last time, but this time different, I'm sure.
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Don’t underestimate how many Dems will stay home if Biden is the nominee.
It's cute that you think people actually want to vote for Biden, when they actually are voting against Trump. Dem's and independents will walk through fire to vote against him.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:41 am to bayouvette
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He won
Bigly
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:45 am to Flats
It doesn't allow me to paste the close up picture, but if you zoom in close to Altana, Phoenix, Philadelphia or vitually any big city in the US, you will see that the inner cities were more red in 2020 and the suburbs where much more blue. For the steal to work, it would have had to take place in the suburbs.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:46 am to samson73103
4 pages and I don’t think anyone has simply stated whether it was winnable or unwinnable. A lot of assertions that he actually won, a lot of excuses why he he “lost,” but no answer on whether the election was actually winnable or not.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:52 am to Jon Ham
Jon Ham
Also Jon Ham
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4 pages and I don’t think anyone has simply stated whether it was winnable or unwinnable. A lot of assertions that he actually won, a lot of excuses why he he “lost,” but no answer on whether the election was actually winnable or not.
Also Jon Ham
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 11:54 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:52 am to Jon Ham
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Why are we even talking presidential politics?
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2020 was unwinnable
They had the most diverse and extensive election fraud machine ever assembled.
Corrupt registration rolls, ERIC real time vote reports, Ballot stuffers, vote counting operatives, corrupt election officials, compromised election equipment, and the intent to defraud.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:58 am to Jon Ham
Probably not winnable due to universal mail in ballots and rampant harvesting of said ballots.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:00 pm to westerntigerfan
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For the steal to work, it would have had to take place in the suburbs.
I'm not familiar with Phoenix, but this is dead wrong for Atlanta. I think you're calling areas suburbs that are high density and very susceptible to ballot harvesting.
Fulton County
Dem vote went from 281,875 to 381,144 ~35% increase
Rep vote went from 110,372 to 137,240 ~25% increase
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:17 pm to Jon Ham
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So 2020 was unwinnable? No matter what he did, they were going to steal it?
So why is he acting like this time will be different?
Perhaps his team has learned that they're going to have to play by the same rules in order to level the playing field.
Minus the fraud, 2020 would've been a crushing landslide for Trump. Remember the 100+ mile long "Trump caravan" in AZ, but then suddenly that state somehow broke towards Biden??? bullshite. Watch 2000 Mules. We know the playbook now.
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