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Covid: Maybe everyone should watch Australia.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:41 pm
Locked down. Got it down to almost nothing. Opening up and worst days are happening.
If it gets worse, it will be obvious shutting down is worthless.
If it gets worse, it will be obvious shutting down is worthless.
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Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:43 pm to Crimsonians
quote:that's not what the left is going to take from it. They are going to go you have to lock down and literally never open back up, because they are morons
Locked down. Got it down to almost nothing. Opening up and worst days are happening.
If it gets worse, it will be obvious shutting down is worthless.
This post was edited on 7/30/20 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:43 pm to Crimsonians
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Covid: Maybe everyone should watch Australia.
Or Japan, or Vietnam, or Malaysia, or Hong Kong, or Germany, or Spain
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:44 pm to narddogg81
They are starting to lock down again despite economic issues.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:46 pm to Crimsonians
quote:
Locked down. Got it down to almost nothing. Opening up and worst days are happening.
If it gets worse, it will be obvious shutting down is worthless.
I'm not sure why this has always been so hard to understand. We could never hide from this. Well, we COULD have hid from it if literally EVERYONE holed up in their own homes for 6 weeks or so, allowed the outside world to collapse around us, tens of millions to starve to death and have bodies piling up in our homes and yards. We could have starved it out that way by simply not giving it any hosts...
But since that wasn't an option, the goal at least at first was simply to mitigate it as much as possible so as not to overload the health care systems. We seemed to have gotten to that place a long time ago.
We either need to continue to slowly manage it and allow the spread to do what it's going to do and mitigate risks to high risk folks, or get used to the roller coaster of locking down and watching it fade only to open back up and watching it flair up again prolonging the whole damn thing.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:47 pm to Crimsonians
Mask and lock down is worthless, Wash your hands!!
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:47 pm to Crimsonians
You can’t prevent a virus with this transmission rate, this amount of asymptomatic carriers, and no natural immunity. Which is why our response to it has been so insane.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:48 pm to Crimsonians
Yea, let's just wear mask and kick this severe cold down the road
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:48 pm to narddogg81
quote:This!
that's not what the left is going to take from it. They are going to go you have to lock down and literally never open back up, because they are morons
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:49 pm to Crimsonians
And they're in the middle of Winter. Interesting to see infection rates between colder Melbourne, Adelaide, and Perth compared to Sydney, Brisbane, and Darwin
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:49 pm to Crimsonians
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it will be obvious shutting down is worthless.
Haven’t we already concluded this?!
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:50 pm to Crimsonians
quote:Actually you could argue that shutting down is effective, but only if you NEVER open back up.
If it gets worse, it will be obvious shutting down is worthless.
The question that should be asked is that if the virus is so easily spread, is it worth it to shut down at all?
Perhaps those who are most at-risk should take responsibility to be extra careful and let everyone else go about their lives with the understanding that there is risk of death every day, whether it is with a virus or a car accident.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:52 pm to Crimsonians
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Locked down. Got it down to almost nothing. Opening up and worst days are happening.
If it gets worse, it will be obvious shutting down is worthless.
This is simple logic, and it was simple logic on Day 1 of the "crisis." It's why the first lie was "flatten the curve."
There is no way to keep the virus from running through the population to herd immunity short of isolating everybody until a vaccine that actually immunizes everybody (as opposed to 50% effectiveness as is typical of flue shots) is developed, approved, commercialized, distributed and administered to everybody.
Time adults start thinking/acting like adults.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 4:55 pm to FooManChoo
You don’t need to be an epidemiologist to know that this would be a non-issue already if they would’ve just let Coronavirus run its course. Herd immunity would’ve happened in a month and the at-risk people would’ve been better off because it would’ve been unlikely to spread to them.
This disease kills virtually no young people. If they would’ve let herd immunity spread through us at a <0.1% death rate, transmission to older at-risk people would’ve been highly unlikely. The Dems are intentionally dragging this out and killing people to influence mail-in voting and attempt to steal the election.
This disease kills virtually no young people. If they would’ve let herd immunity spread through us at a <0.1% death rate, transmission to older at-risk people would’ve been highly unlikely. The Dems are intentionally dragging this out and killing people to influence mail-in voting and attempt to steal the election.
This post was edited on 7/30/20 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 7/30/20 at 5:00 pm to Crimsonians
quote:
Locked down. Got it down to almost nothing. Opening up and worst days are happening.
If it gets worse, it will be obvious shutting down is worthless.
So this is where it might be helpful to add numbers so people can have fuller context of what's going on. Australia has a population of ~ 25 Million people. They executed their strategy right around the same time we took less aggressive mitigation efforts. To date this country of 25 million has experienced 16,000 cases total and a bit less than 200 deaths. Which to say Australia's entire experience with COVID since February has resulted in fewer cases and fewer deaths than what Florida has seen in the last 2 days. Cleveland Ohio along has a similar amount of cases and more than twice as many deaths. What Australia is seeing as a crisis is all of 700 new cases in the last 24 hours across the whole country. The scale is an order of magnitude different than what we're seeing here.
This post was edited on 7/30/20 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 7/30/20 at 5:00 pm to Crimsonians
There are obvious groups of extreme high-risk people with the rest miniscule risk.
And yet for some reason, we can't logically plan and guide to best protect the high risk people while the rest of the world lives normal lives.
And yet for some reason, we can't logically plan and guide to best protect the high risk people while the rest of the world lives normal lives.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 5:03 pm to longwayfromLA
quote:
So this is where it might be helpful to add numbers so people can have fuller context of what's going on. Australia has a population of ~ 25 Million people. They executed their strategy right around the same time we took less aggressive mitigation efforts. To date this country of 25 million has experienced 16,000 cases total and a bit less than 200 deaths. Which to say Australia's entire experience with COVID since February has resulted in fewer cases and fewer deaths than what Florida has seen in the last 2 days. Cleveland Ohio along has a similar amount of cases and almost twice as many deaths. What Australia is seeing as a crisis is all of 700 new cases in the last 24 hours across the whole country. The scale is an order of magnitude different than what we're seeing here
Longway - if the strategy isn't to isolate the most at risk and let the virus run until we reach herd immunity, short of isolating everybody for forever, what can possibly be done to keep the virus in check?
Posted on 7/30/20 at 5:04 pm to longwayfromLA
Hence keeping an eye out? They have more than before shutdown.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 5:11 pm to Crimsonians
Yea but did they try face shields???
Posted on 7/30/20 at 5:20 pm to David_DJS
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Longway - if the strategy isn't to isolate the most at risk and let the virus run until we reach herd immunity, short of isolating everybody for forever, what can possibly be done to keep the virus in check?
Universal masking & reduce the politicization of this whole issue
Ramp up testing capacity even more & test a bunch
Utilize tests with quicker turnaround from test to results
We need to be doing contact tracing on a scale sufficient to the amount of disease in the country. That’s thousands and thousands of people who just interview and stalk all day
Get every man, woman and child access to shiny new n95 every single week
Invest heavily in isolating positive but mild patients in hotels away from their families since that's the most common mode of transmission
Write a giant check to restaurant & bar owners so they could remain closed
We need to be flexible enough to lever down if an ember turns into a fire without weeks of pointless and costly caterwauling. But also we need to re-open quickly when things in an area get better
Build common national focus around physical distancing and masking, since everyone needs to play ball on those. What do they have better to do in Hollywood than making these PSA
Based on what other countries are doing, that should get er done or at least get us to a manageable spot.
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