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re: Court grants Texas woman's request for emergency abortion in historic ruling

Posted on 12/8/23 at 5:16 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46851 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 5:16 pm to
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A family member accused my mom of having an abortion because she's had miscarriages and to this day my mom won't talk to her.
That's terrible. Miscarriage can be extremely grievous to the parents. Telling a mother she is essentially guilty of murdering her child as she grieves for something that is completely out of her control is simply awful.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9358 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:19 pm to
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believe life is as valuable as God says it is


Sounds mentally liberating to be honest.Do you ever question your belief in God or have you ever?
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:37 pm to
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Cox is currently carrying a pregnancy with virtually no chance the baby -- who has trisomy 18 -- will survive to birth or long afterward. She's said she has been denied the safest form of abortion care for her -- a dilation and evacuation procedure. The CRR would not disclose when or where Cox plans to obtain her abortion care due to safety concerns.


Then it's the hospital not the law.

She's a liar.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30452 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 2:39 am to
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
13245 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 3:26 am to
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non-viable fetus


Not sure the exact details on this case, but baby has a decent chance at life:

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Most babies with this type of Edward's syndrome who are born alive will live for at least a year, and they may live to adulthood
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This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 3:30 am
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
13245 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 3:30 am to
TRAVIS COUNTY
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138865 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 4:03 am to
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baby has a decent chance at life:
Negative.
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Most babies with this type of Edward's syndrome who are born alive will live for at least a year, and they may live to adulthood
Negative. The vast majority, if they even survive birth, do not survive past the first month. Trisomy-18 is a nasty anomaly.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27780 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:02 am to
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Trisomy-18 is a nasty anomaly.


Had to do a 12 lead EKG on a baby once. Midwife shite the bed. They had the baby with known condition knew the child would not survive the birth or immediately after. So they deliver at home. Sounds like a plan. Surrounded by family and support. Until they get to pronouncing the death and death cert etc. The midwife calls EMS who then in the late 2000s could not pronounce on scene or “no-load” such a cluster.

Bunch of Firemen. All dads and grandpas come in after an onion cutting contest. It was awful. Those guys were so pissed. About 5 seconds into doing that somber and SILENT ekg, so was I.

Trisomy 18 is either swift death or slow death while a young family piles up staggering medical bills for high acuity NICU to early Pedi care. THEN a dead baby.
Posted by TxRan2020
Texas
Member since May 2020
721 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:08 am to
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Trisomy 18 is either swift death or slow death while a young family piles up staggering medical bills for high acuity NICU to early Pedi care. THEN a dead baby.


That’s so sad. Abortion opinion aside, I feel very sorry for this lady.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:39 am to
She shouldn’t have to, but if she went to Massachusetts and got this done would Texas go after her criminally?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:50 am to
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I think this is the kind of thing everyone supports. What conservatives are against is unnecessary abortions that could have been eliminated with some personal responsibility ahead of getting pregnant.


Someone needs to tell Ken Paxton.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:04 am to
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She shouldn’t have to, but if she went to Massachusetts and got this done would Texas go after her criminally?


No, though there are some counties that have passed draconian laws that ban any assistance with travel.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27780 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:13 am to
Some docs have to have chimed. How does it get to this point.

How’s it not just a consent for D&C. With a diagnosis of “non viable fetus”.

Is viability ONLY a heartbeat and fetal movement? If a horrific birth defect is seen on ultrasound can’t that be the definition?
This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 6:17 am
Posted by Demonbengal
Ruston
Member since May 2015
5583 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:48 am to
She could have gone to another state to have the abortion. I know that’s less convenient, but this lawsuit is all about forcing Texas to change its laws and not because she couldn’t get an abortion.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59463 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:51 am to
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No, though there are some counties that have passed draconian laws that ban any assistance with travel.


Which counties and what assistance , specifically, is banned?
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
12825 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:54 am to
Well maybe Texas should change it’s laws to allow it for babies with horrible body defects.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:54 am to
If she is telling the truth she could have it in Texas.


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Texas laws banning abortions make narrow exceptions only to save the life of a pregnant patient or prevent “substantial impairment of major bodily function.”
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
2071 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:12 am to
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She could have gone to another state to have the abortion. I know that’s less convenient, but this lawsuit is all about forcing Texas to change its laws and not because she couldn’t get an abortion.


You just assume she has the means to travel. What if she doesn’t and what about other women who don’t. The answer is not you have to carry what is an almost definitely non viable fetus to term to watch it die in front of you, and while you do that you may end up with complications that make it difficult to carry again. This is just wrong.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138865 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:12 am to
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If she is telling the truth
Exactly. Truth is far from a guaranteed premise on either her part or that of the "journalist"
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89760 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:57 am to
I feel a little differently than you and her of course.

Instead of killing the baby I would want to save it.

But I get it if the parent doesn’t want to go through all that and still not have the baby make it. Either decision is difficult.

And before you say they can’t survive…

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Megan Hayes with Trisomy 18 turns 40 years old!




This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 7:59 am
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