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re: Court grants Texas woman's request for emergency abortion in historic ruling

Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:57 am to
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:57 am to
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Well maybe Texas should change it’s laws to allow it for babies with horrible body defects.


In many cases it is, if there are appropriate conditions not covered, it should be amended. These laws are new and will obviously require tuning.

Don't believe anything you read in our trash news about a ruling from a Travis county judge.

Almost certainly all fabricated.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128777 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 8:04 am to
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You just assume she has the means to travel.


She didn’t argue she didn’t have the means to travel. She argued that she was a “life-long Texan.”

Don’t be confused about what’s happening here. This is a test case push back on Texas abortion law. Not a woman seeking emergency healthcare.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89760 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 8:19 am to
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Trisomy 18 is either swift death or slow death while a young family piles up staggering medical bills for high acuity NICU to early Pedi care. THEN a dead baby.


Saying they can’t live is a lie though

So here is a plan, let’s line up everyone with a terminal illness and murder them.

Because that’s what you are advocating.

This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 8:20 am
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
7056 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 8:27 am to
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Saying they can’t live is a lie though

So here is a plan, let’s line up everyone with a terminal illness and murder them.

Because that’s what you are advocating.


So you are saying no parent can take a child off of life support if there's a heartbeat?

The fetus will not live or have any quality of life and maybe not even brain capability. Do you know what trisomy 18 looks like?

That this fetus that has no means of survival must be kept alive via the mother? Is this not the same as forcing a parent to keep a brain dead child alive if there's a heartbeat?
Posted by OleVaught14
Member since Jun 2019
11326 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 8:30 am to
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Following Thursday's ruling, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's office issued a statement saying the temporary restraining order "will not insulate hospitals, doctors, or anyone else, from civil and criminal liability for violating Texas' abortion laws." 

Paxton's office also included a letter sent to several medical centers outlining action it will take against doctors who perform an abortion. 


Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128777 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 8:34 am to
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Is this not the same as forcing a parent to keep a brain dead child alive if there's a heartbeat?


First, no.

Second, the state AG’s office may or may not have someone who is actually looking at the information submitted by the doctor. It may be woefully inadequate. It may not. But we don’t know that. You’re assuming the mother is a simple victim of the system and circumstance. I would guess nothing is as simple as the media is making it out to be in this case.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46849 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:46 am to
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Sounds mentally liberating to be honest.Do you ever question your belief in God or have you ever?
It is quite liberating to know you have a rational basis for your moral paradigm and can provide true meaning to life.

I’ve questioned my belief in God a lot. I’ve had debates and discussions with atheists and people of other religions for years who asked difficult questions that I didn’t always have the answers to that shook my faith for a brief moment. Every time, God provided me the answer sufficient to give me confidence in the truth of His Word. Not much shakes me any more.
Posted by fischd1
Mandeville
Member since Dec 2007
3437 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:58 am to
Why can’t she just go to a different state to get her procedure?
Posted by OleVaught14
Member since Jun 2019
11326 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 12:08 pm to
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Why can’t she just go to a different state to get her procedure?


Husband / family who assist in any way with her leaving the state for the procedure would be in violation of the state law. Husband drives her out of state - guilty. Drives her to airport so she can fly to a different state - guilty. Wife uses money from shared bank account to travel out of state - husband guilty for "his" funds being used.
Posted by PuntBamaPunt
Member since Nov 2010
10070 posts
Posted on 12/10/23 at 11:59 am to
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Why can’t she just go to a different state to get her procedure?


Small govt Republicans implemented laws to penalize any one that may help.

It's no wonder everyone fricking hates them.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:41 am to
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It's no wonder everyone fricking hates them.



I picture you having to wear a helmet at all times.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65773 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:44 am to
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These laws are moving humanity backwards


Exactly the opposite. Abortion is moving humanity backwards.

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He said under state law doctors can use "reasonable medical judgement" in providing an emergency abortion to protect a woman's life at risk, but that it didn't appear Cox met that definition.

Molly Duane, Cox's attorney with the Center for Reproductive Rights, said that standard is impossible to meet without harming a woman.


Molly Duane is full of crap. She's actively arguing for the only procedure that would harm this woman in any way.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65773 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:45 am to
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Husband / family who assist in any way with her leaving the state for the procedure would be in violation of the state law. Husband drives her out of state - guilty. Drives her to airport so she can fly to a different state - guilty. Wife uses money from shared bank account to travel out of state - husband guilty for "his" funds being used.


Good. They should all be subject to laws equivalent to murder, attempted murder, accessory to murder, etc.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59463 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:53 am to
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Husband / family who assist in any way with her leaving the state for the procedure would be in violation of the state law. Husband drives her out of state - guilty. Drives her to airport so she can fly to a different state - guilty. Wife uses money from shared bank account to travel out of state - husband guilty for "his" funds being used.


That’s a very broad reading of the statute. The examples given in the statute are nowhere near that broad.
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