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re: Court grants Texas woman's request for emergency abortion in historic ruling
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:02 pm to TheHumanTornado
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:02 pm to TheHumanTornado
Nope...it's real.
"If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother," Northam said, alluding to the physician and mother discussing whether the born infant should live or die.
A Democratic lawmaker in the Virginia House of Delegates proposed a bill Tuesday that would allow abortions through the end of the third trimester of pregnancy. The video of Delegate Kathy Tran presenting her bill led to an exchange where she admitted that her bill would allow for a mother to abort her child minutes before giving birth.
"How late in the third trimester could a physician perform an abortion if he indicated that it would impair the mental health of the woman?" Majority Leader Todd Gilbert (R.) asked.
"Or physical health," Tran said.
"Okay," Gilbert replied. "I'm talking about the mental health."
Washington Free Beacon
"If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother," Northam said, alluding to the physician and mother discussing whether the born infant should live or die.
A Democratic lawmaker in the Virginia House of Delegates proposed a bill Tuesday that would allow abortions through the end of the third trimester of pregnancy. The video of Delegate Kathy Tran presenting her bill led to an exchange where she admitted that her bill would allow for a mother to abort her child minutes before giving birth.
"How late in the third trimester could a physician perform an abortion if he indicated that it would impair the mental health of the woman?" Majority Leader Todd Gilbert (R.) asked.
"Or physical health," Tran said.
"Okay," Gilbert replied. "I'm talking about the mental health."
Washington Free Beacon
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:03 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
So with that, what you are advocating for is an abortion because the child may not survive for long after delivery, or if he/she has a poor quality of life after birth.
Yes I am.
quote:
don't see those as reasons for "medical exceptions", and if they are, you could slide down that slope very quickly.
We've engaged in these discussion before regarding euthanasia and as I recall its perfectly acceptable to you if someone is suffering unimaginable pain to go on in that state indefinitely to satisfy what you imagine is God's will. I disagreed then and I disagree here as well.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:11 pm to ThuperThumpin
they were not denied.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:13 pm to ThuperThumpin
Rick Santorum's daughter has Trisomy 18
I can also get you an article on a 30 year old woman walking around for 30 years with Trisomy 18 and didn't know it....now tell me again how this threatened the life of the mother?
It threatened the convenience of the mother, but not the life.
quote:
Some people describe people like Bella as disabled children … I look at the joy, the simplicity and the love that she emits and its clear to me that we're the disabled ones. Not her … she’s got it right.
I can also get you an article on a 30 year old woman walking around for 30 years with Trisomy 18 and didn't know it....now tell me again how this threatened the life of the mother?
It threatened the convenience of the mother, but not the life.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:24 pm to Tigahs24Seven
quote:
I can also get you an article on a 30 year old woman walking around for 30 years with Trisomy 18 and didn't know it....now tell me again how this threatened the life of the mother?
It threatened the convenience of the mother, but not the life.
Tell me again how I made the argument it threatens her life. I dont recall making that argument. Can the severity of the condition be determined in utero?
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:56 pm to Hobie101
quote:
The idea that Miss Cox wants desperately to be a parent, and this law might actually cause her to lose that ability is shocking...
What are the odds? I wonder what other outcomes have similar odds that could be used to end a life.
You're a young inner city male from a single parent household who just got arrested for a violent crime. You're now part of a demographic that has a 20% chance of inflicting severe bodily harm to someone. We're going to rip you apart now.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:07 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:It's a shame that human life has such little value in your eyes.quote:
So with that, what you are advocating for is an abortion because the child may not survive for long after delivery, or if he/she has a poor quality of life after birth.
Yes I am.
quote:Of course you will disagree. It seems you think life is only as valuable as each individual thinks it is.
We've engaged in these discussion before regarding euthanasia and as I recall its perfectly acceptable to you if someone is suffering unimaginable pain to go on in that state indefinitely to satisfy what you imagine is God's will. I disagreed then and I disagree here as well.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:16 pm to Azkiger
quote:
What are the odds?
What’s more, you have to compare the odds of infertility as a result of delivering a child with trisomy 18 versus the odds of infertility as a result of D&C.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:18 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
A miscarriage is a natural abortion by that definition, but that's not what we're arguing for or against when we talk about abortion rights.
A family member accused my mom of having an abortion because she's had miscarriages and to this day my mom won't talk to her.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:23 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
It seems you think life is only as valuable as each individual thinks it is.
Everyone does this to some degree.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:32 pm to Hobie101
10% of the population is against this kind of “abortion”
But it requires emergency action to get it “allowed,” which is still going to be a risk to the physician who performs it.
Insanity
But it requires emergency action to get it “allowed,” which is still going to be a risk to the physician who performs it.
Insanity
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:43 pm to Hobie101
quote:The fact the article prohibits the reader from making that determination is equally terrible. E.g.,
Court grants Texas woman's request for emergency abortion in historic ruling
the fact that this woman was denied a safe abortion is terrible
Was there a delay in Dx of Trisomy 18?
Why is a D&C required?
How far along is the pregnancy?
Did the woman delay treatment?
Etc.?
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:45 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
How far along is the pregnancy?
20 weeks.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:46 pm to MFn GIMP
quote:
A family member accused my mom of having an abortion because she's had miscarriages
Damn cold
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:47 pm to themunch
quote:
A family member accused my mom of having an abortion because she's had miscarriages
Damn cold
Yes. My mom was praising the Dobbs decision because she is 100% pro-life and the family member, who opposed Dobbs, hit her with that. It was ridiculous.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 12/8/23 at 4:11 pm to MFn GIMP
quote:Thanks. Was that in the article? I didn't see it. Makes sense as most are picked up in the 2ndTM.
20 weeks.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 4:13 pm to MFn GIMP
quote:Weird family member.
A family member accused my mom of having an abortion because she's had miscarriages and to this day my mom won't talk to her.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 4:21 pm to MFn GIMP
quote:
who opposed Dobbs, hit her with that. It was ridiculous.
That makes sense. The pro baby killers argue that a miscarriage is God aborting babies.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 4:34 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Thanks. Was that in the article? I didn't see it. Makes sense as most are picked up in the 2ndTM.
I don't remember seeing it in this linked article, it may have been, but I did see it in another article.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 5:13 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:I don't. I believe life is as valuable as God says it is and only He provides the moral framework to decide when taking a life is justifiable and moral.quote:Everyone does this to some degree.
It seems you think life is only as valuable as each individual thinks it is.
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